(A.W.)–A top-10 bestselling music artist, Spanish singer Julio Iglesias, zigzags continents to perform concerts, most recently in his native Spain. But the tour-happy singer has angered some Turkish Cypriots by refusing to perform in the northern occupied part of the island.
Iglesias had his reasons and is taking the matter to court. He is suing the Northern Cyprus authorities, the Istanbul-based company Net Holdings, and Voyager Kibris for deceit, according to Greek and Cypriot sources. The singer has charged that his inviters did not explain to him that the northern part of the island was under occupation, and that the concert would be illegal.
Net Holdings is the entertainment company in charge of bringing the artist over, and Voyager Kibris is the company that owns Merit Crystal Hotel and Casino. The hotel, located in Kyrenia, was originally owned by a Greek Cypriot and its name was “Zephyros”; during the occupation, however, its current proprietors took hold of it and changed its name, noted a Cypriot source.
The lawsuit was filed in the Washington District Court by lawyer Athanasion Tsibidis on behalf of the International Creative Talent Agency (ICTA), which represents Iglesias. Jennifer Lopez, Rihanna, and Justin Timberlake have all canceled concerts after learning the political situation on the island.
Meanwhile, in Miami, Fla., a local law firm Astigarraga Davis has filed a lawsuit on behalf of Voyager, against the ICTA, demanding the return of a $281,739 in concert fees. Voyager has claimed that Iglesias canceled his concert due to take place on Oct. 16, 2010, for security reasons, despite assurances given by authorities, reported the South Florida Business Journal.
Cyprus became divided after the Turkish invasion in 1974. Turkey is the only country that recognizes the northern portion as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
Once again, an attack on Turkey, Turks, Turkish-Cypriots!! First of all, the liberation of 1974 was NOT illegal! I’m not going to any further explination regarding this (since I’ve done so many times already). Secondly, I was on vacation in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic in 1983. Julio was performing there. He began to insult the Dominican people by saying how lower class they were as compared to pure Spaniards (like himself). This percipitated a massive booing by the audience, so much so that he was literally booed off the stage! This ought to be taken into consideration when his character is brought into question during the trial.
Are you crazy? How isn’t the Turkish INVASION of Cyprus NOT illegal??? How do you explain the displacement/’ethnic cleansing’ of 80,000 Greek Cypriots with natives sent over from Turkey? Who did it liberate? No-one.. the island and people are now divided. Northern Cyprus is not recognized by any country other than Turkey, therefore it would be illegal for anyone to perform their legitimately.. The Turkish government violated numerous human rights laws!! It cannot be justified.
Elena.. don’t be surprised.. Robert is a known character on our pages… we know him already and whatever he says don’t take seriously.. it is a typical denialist way of diluting the truth…..
The world knows what Turkey is and what these denialists represent.. continuation of their sleezy, inhumane govt…
There was no quote ‘liberation’ of Cyprus: It was an illegal invasion of the sovereign state of Cyprus by the modern fascistic State of Turkey, who continued in their ancestral Seljuk Turk tradition of invading, taking over, and then claiming as their own somebody else’s lands and property.
Cyprus had been Greek inhabited for about 3,000 years when Turks first invaded. Ottoman Turk invaders invaded Cyprus about 500 years ago, and then imported foreigners from distant lands – alien Turks.
The Liberation of Artsakh: now that was a LIBERATION.
“Liberation of Artsakh: Now that was a LIBERATON”
Yes Avery jan, you said it friend!!!!!
I like Julio Iglesias’ songs a great deal, and it is true that the majority of the Spanish from Spain have a great deal of class; first off they aren’t materialistic, and then they have character.
Avery very well said. It was a brutal destructive invasion and continued occupation of an EU member! Expansionists Turks keep finding excuses to avoid responsibility for the destruction of the beautiful north part of Cyprus.
AMEN TO THAT Avery jan… that was indeed a Liberation.. It is just hillarious our Turks call whatever they feel like calling… just changing words to fit in their plan.. how convenient right?
Oh Roberttttttttttttttt…. Guess what I am going to post right after this comment… :)
Gayane
Ahhhhh Robert.. i was wondering when you will come back to your real senses…and whallaaaaa…..you did.. guess it is hard to break old habbits… I would like to take everyone to the memory lane and share the journey of your posts…to show the progression of how many avatars you used and the change in your style of writings…
Hopefully the AW will post the avatars and colors as well… as I want to show everyone how creative but dumb you are…..
Robert
August 20, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
Avery,
It’d sure be nice if you knew what you were talking about! Armenia lives for handouts!! Must I remind you of Armenia’s economic standing (only Madagascar is worse)? Without my tax dollars going to one of the most corrupt and religiously oppressive nations on the planet, and also without the Russian military there to protect you (LMAO), Armenia would be the typical professional beggars that they’ve been for the past century! So cry me a river and read a book for once (not the typical ARF dashnak Armenian propaganda)!
Robert
August 22, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
I very recently just lost my brother to heart disease. I’ve come to a point in my life that hate and this constant “one up-manship” is wrong. I still believe that we need to debate if we are to settle our differences and be able to come to terms and reconcile, but ever since my personal family loss, my feelings and outlook towards life have truly changed. It doesn’t matter whether you nor anyone else believes me. Life is too damn short to continue this nonesense. I guess what I’m trying to say to you, and to the rest of you on this site, is that I’m sorry for any smartass remarks I may have made, as well as any personal insults I may have said in the past. It was wrong and not a mature approach to deal with a complex issue. Sometimes, one’s feelings just well up from deep inside and come forth before one has a total grasp of those feelings, and translated into words that may be hurtful, ugly and/or misconstrued. I think that we’re all guilty of this to varying extents. If you all can forgive me for my past and recent transgressions, I certainly, and already have, forgiven all of you for your negative contributions as well. I believe that we all can be friends. I extend my hand to you all in burying the hatchet and taking those first important steps to becoming friends once more. I don’t mean to ramble (it’s not always easy to find the words one feels), but there it is. I’d be more than happy to come back to give positive inputs if so invited. If not, then I’ll understand and bother you no more (no grudges held either). Sometimes we all have to take chances in life!
Robert
August 22, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
To the editorial board:
I’ve said/written some cruel and neagative things about you. For this I sincerely apologize. I have no real excuse other than the frustration of having my comments censored or deleted, and thus being unable to defend myself at crucial periods. Regardless though, those reasons are no excuse for some of the horrible things that I had written to you. It was wrong of me and I’m sorry.
Robert
August 23, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
Thank you for your kind words. I know that they were sincere. May we all strive to settle and overcome our differences and once again become the brothers and sisters God intended for us to be.
Robert
August 27, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
HovsepM,
You’re wrong in your assumption about me. I’ve already written that I wish to provide positive input for all parties, so that an amicable solution can be reached and agreed to by all. I have a lot of very recent personal pain to deal with, which has given me a new insight. Although I have not given up on my beliefs of historical facts (as backed up by my grandfamilies documentations and verbal accounts of that era), I also believe that all sides suffered………… This is why a historical commission is so important (comprised of both Armenian, Turkish and neutral scholars), to review all archives and hopefully get to the truth of what truly occurred. I don’t believe that only Turks should be portrayed as being evil (when you know as well as I do that crimes were committed by all), and thus be solely expected to provide an apology (what about an apology from the Armenian side for their actions/roles?). the Turks and Armenians living outside (e.g. Europe and America) don’t have a full grasp of what they feel in Turkey and Armenia. This is a major factor that constantly creates problems. They say that they’re happy and “wish that those living outside would stop causing trouble”. This goes for both sides! I for one feel that they’re correct. We who live here in the US need not stick our noses into their lives over there. Let them settle their issues! Perhaps then the NK situation and any other problem can thus be settled, with new freindship treaties between Turkey, Armenia and Azebaijan signed, creating cooperation in many areas (economical, scientific, cultural, etc.), with mutual advancement and peace in the region.
AND YOUR LAST POST , WHICH MATCHES TO YOUR AVATAR ABOVE….ahhhhh.. guess the mourning period is over Robert…
Robert
August 28, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
You can’t have your cake and eat it too! Keep in mind that the more which is made of this, the more of a backlash it will provide when it comes time for settling the NK situation. Rest assured that Turkey, Azerbaijan and Moslems world-wide will NOT go gently into that good night! They will pay close attention to what PM Erdogan is doing AND what the reactions from Armenians and Greeks will be, and how they will reciprocate. My advice thus, is to stop grumbling for everything on the planet, and act like adults. Otherwise, you simply give impetus for what I mentioned earlier.
and do you remember what i said to you? let me remind you just in case you forgot to read it or simply overlooked it…
I was a bit skeptical myself to read about such a revelation in Robert The Turk…. i knew it was abit too good to be true but i gave him the benefit of the doubt.. however, if he is pulling our leg with this story, he better not come back on these pages or else he will be called out so many times with such force on these pages, that he will regret playing with people like that…
Guess you could not help yourself.. well it was your choice.. so be prepared…
gayane
August 28, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
TO ALL: JUST IN CASE the avatars do not come through in my last comment, I want to ensure that each avatar used by Robert the Turk except the last two comments have different style and different colors..
Black and white
Pink and white
Red and white
Purple and white
Strawberry red and white
Gayane
Spanish singer Julio Iglesias is right to sue Turkey’s pseudo state which was created in 1974 by Turkey’s illegal invasion of Cyprus in stolen properties and Houses of the 200,000 Greek Cypriots who were Ethnically cleansed by Turkey’s Attila army of occupation.Turkey’s army committed countless crimes against Humanity and against Greek Cypriots. Turkey’s Attila committed, too many thousands of rapes of women children and murdered thousands of harmless Greek Cypriot civilians women children and old pensioners who posed no danger to advancing Turkey’s Attila army in 1974 .Turkey unlike Nazi Germany ,has not been Punished for the crimes it committed, and to day threatens Cyprus again with war for its oil drilling for Gas and oil exploration within Cyprus’s ( EEZ ) Exclusive Economic Zone in the sea.
The sovereign Republic of Cyprus , a UN and EU member state has every legitimate right to drill anywhere in its territorial ground and sea waters . Turkey illegally and in violation of UN ,Security council and international law occupies illegally 37% of EU Cyprus . Turkey is an aggressor outlaw country which committed crimes against the Greek Cypriots and Humanity since 1974, which are. 1) Turkey in violation of all UN ,Security council ,and in violation of International law,and EU protocol,invaded illegally Cyprus,and Attila army committed the ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Greek Cypriots .2)Turkey desecrated more than 550 Greek Christian Churches ,3) Turkey transferred Hundreds of Thousands of Anatolian illegal settlers from Turkey and housed them in the stolen properties of the uprooted 200,000 Greek Cypriots,in violation of the 1949 Geneva convention. 4)Turkey is bullying EU Cyprus a UN member state ,and Turkey still holds EU accession talks without shame . while it has under illegal occupation 37% of Cyprus soil in violation of all International laws and EU protocol. Therefore Turkey is the aggressor and violator of the law. 5 )Turkey’s army still remains unpunished for the massacre of more than six thousand Greek Cypriots. 6) Turkey ‘s Attila still remains unpunished for the thousands of rapes and killings of Children women and old pensioners civilians who were not armed and posed no danger to the Attila army of occupation. 7) Turkey still refuses to acknowledge the fate of more than sixteen Hundred Greek Cypriots who went missing since the illegal 1974 Turkey’s invasion of Cyprus. 8) Turkey pretends that nothing happened but sill occupies the Ghost Town of Famagusta in barbed wires and doesn’t permit its legitimate Cypriot EU Citizens to returned to their properties and houses. Turkey has pillaged, looted thousands of antiquities and other artefacts and Cypriot treasures. 10) Turkey destroyed the Greek Cypriot Cultural and religious heritage and so called “free World ” keeps its eyes and ears closed and does not punish Turkey. We Strongly believe that EU must cut off its accession talks with Turkey until the Attila army of occupation and the Hundreds of Thousands of Turkey’s illegal Anatolian settlers get out of EU Cyprus. Turkey is in no position to say anything or to bully the legitimate sovereign Republic of Cyprus for not exploring its oil or Gas deposits or resources located in the Ground or sea. The International community has a responsibility to enforce the law.and to place sanctions against Turkey,for its violations of the law. Turkey’s Prime Minister Erdogan ,and foreign minister Davutoglu’s insults and threatens Cyprus with war not to exploit its oil resources, shows clearly Turkey’s real intension’s for occupying Cyprus.. Turkey is bullying Cyprus and wants to enslave Cyprus and this the reason that Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 and not for the sake of the 18% Turkish Cypriot minority (numbering in total no more than 120,000) which was used as poor excuse to invade It, but suffers under the boot and barbaric treatment of Attila army of occupation . Finally Turkey showed clearly its Barbaric aggression and intension’s of expansionism in the gun boat diplomacy against Cyprus, It is about time for the free world and the International community to put an end to iTurkey’s aggression .
E. Nondas
Just to put the record right. North Cyprus is not under occupation as many try to lead you to believe.
In fact the North has been deprived of their rights by the South since 1963 when the South tried to remove their constitutional rights by force. The Intervention of Turkey in 1974 was under international law which prevented m holocaust by the south.
The south has confiscated the donations and benefits that ought to be shared by the whole island.
Shame on all who still believe that both sides of the coin is the same.
Turgut: —-How easily can you bloviate about a holocaust that hypothetically could or, most probably, could not happen against Turks in Cyprus, but how fiercely, I bet, you’d deny the actual holocaust that Turks committed against Armenians. You exhibit the signs of a primitive mentality: whatever the Turks do is good, whatever is done to Turks is bad.
I’d be interested to know as to under what international law Turks invaded the sovereign territory of the UN member-state Cyprus in 1974? I’d be also interested to know as to why the UN Security Council decreed the immediate unconditional withdrawal of all Turkish troops from Cyprus soil that have not been implemented by Turkey or the makeshift TRNC. If the “intervention of Turkey in 1974 was under international law”, why would the Security Council demand withdrawal of Turkish troops from Cyprus?
Curiously, K
@ Turgut,
FYI, the so-called TRNC ( Turkish Republic of North Cyprus ) is only recognized by, Turkey. To the date the ,UN, demands the full withdrawl of ,Turkish Occupation forces, from , the Repulic of Cyprus.
Dear Nondas– we understand your frustration and echo your annoyance with Turks taking everything by force and then turning around and blaming the rightful owners for wanting it back.. typical of Turkish undeniablly primitative and historically barbaric way of doing things.. However, I have to correct or I guess update if I may…you wrote:
Turkey is an aggressor outlaw country which committed crimes against the Greek Cypriots and Humanity since 1974
This is absolutely correct; however lets not forget that Turks (Ottomans) were aggressors even before and since 1915 when they massacred and brutally killed 1.5 innocent Armenian lives including Greeks, and Assyrians….I am sure you know this as well… They spread destruction, deaths, and taking wealth and properties including cultural aspects of the indegniou people ever since they came down from the Mangolian Steppes and Altai Mountains…
I agree that UN and EU should never ever allow such human rights violators even a minute of their time.. all doors should be shut on their face.. Turkey needs and should admit to their brutal treatment and Genocide including paying back every single penny to ARmenians and other Christian minorities before they even consider looking at their side….
Gayane
Turgut– Just to get the record straight… can you please name countries who officially recognizes Northern Cyrus as Turkish territory.. Please list them by numbering them..
Gayane
It is an historic Turkish territory therefore your case dismissed
Monastras—-
Until you respond to the beow comment that has been addressed to you by my very good friend Avery numerous times… then YOU are dismissed… Got it? :)
Guest – Monastras
2011-05-16 16:38:37 Calling the issue that was fabricated by the defeated armenians as the Armenian Genocide is an insult to the memories of the Jewish victims of the holocaust.}
(posted @Hurriyet)
Either confirm and stand behind what you said or deny in shame and embarassment….
Go ahead.. The court is all eyes and ears….
Gayane
Monastras, What you said above:
“Gayane, It is an historic Turkish territory therefore your case dismissed”.
This statement is not only funny it is hilarious. Apparently everyone knows except Monastras that the Greeks and the Spartans were in the region since time immemorial and never the turks. How could Cyprios be a turkish territory when the seljuk turks were living in the Middle of Asia by the Mongolian steppes and only came to Caucasia, Armenia and Greece only 1000 years ago. Meanwhile the Greeks were the sole indigenous inhabitants of all the Greek isles including the Cyprios island. Even the name is Greek. Apart from that fact, around the 1960’s the turks annihilated in a horrible fashion a great deal of Greek civilians; women, children and the elderly. Those times were very unfortunate times for the Cyprios’ Greeks.
Gayane jan, You are very right to remind Nondas that the annihilations and the Genocides didn’t just start in the 60’s or the 70’s but ever since the turks set foot in Western Armenia into our Armenian Homelands a thousand years ago. From 1915 thru 1923 not only the turkish government annihilated 2,000,000 Christian Armenians but they also annihilated 800,000 Christian Greeks and 800,000 Christian Assyrians.
Nondas, Ask any Greek elderly people or go into your history books that how much and how many of the Greeks were annihilated in Western Turkey of today, and also during the burning of Izmir or Smyrna in 1922, when they atrociously killed the Greek Archbishop in Smyrna as well as the populace. First they annihilated the Armenians and then they went after the Greek population. These are historical facts.
Seervart jan— Monastras is talking out her you God knows what because when a question of “direct” answer is presented to her, she is silent… so anything she says is and will be dismissed…:)
Gayane
What are you talking about? The Turkish invasion was completely illegal and the continued occupation and colonization of illegal settlers from the Anatolian backwater areas is against all UN and international law. 5000 innocent Christian civilians were killed, 200,000 forced from their homes. From the people who brought you the Armenian and Pontos genocide, bring the invasion of ethnic cleansing of Cyprus in 1974. The only thin that the Turkish hordes “liberated” was the homes the rightful owners from their homes. God Bless you Julio for standing on the side of Justice.
Thomas Georgiades
Thomas, Please reread what I wrote above. Of course I agree with you as we know the history of Cyprios and what happened in there. The only thing Gayane and I reminded Nondas is that the turks committed the Armenian genocide
from1915-1923, the Greek and the Assyrian genocides at the same time.
I understand Gayane jan.
Firstly, a quick correction. Julio was in Santo Domingo in 1981 when I saw him. I wrote 1983 without proof-reading.
Secondly, the Tri-national treaty agreement, signed in London by Greece, Turkey and England in 1960, was to protect the Greek and Turkish peoples on Cyprus if they were threatened. If one takes the time and effort to read the Treaty, they’d find that it allows unilateral action if the other signatories do not respond. Since the 1950’s, the Turkish population had been assaulted and treated as second class citizens. After the British left in 1960, the troubles escalated, with more attacks by Grivas and Makarios upon the Turks (they tried to defend themselves as best they could) to make their dream of Enosis come true (Makarios is even quoted as saying peace and his dream will only come true after every single Turk is dead!). In 1968, Turkey had warned Greece that it had to stop the continuous attacks upon the Turkish population. Turkey flew some fighter jets over the island, and had indeed sent some naval forces, but President Johnson (under the influence of his wife Lady Bird [of part Greek heritage]), blocked that effort. Thus the Turks continued to suffer at the hands of the Greek-Cypriots. Finally, in 1974, the Turkish population was pleading with not only Turkey, but the entire world to help them. The world media (eg. Die Wilde, Le Monde, Newsweek, etc.) confirmed constantly the atrocities being commited upon the Turks by the Greek-Cypriots. PM Bulent Echivit went to London and spoke with both the Greek and British represetatives of the treaty. Neither one did anything. The PM contacted the US, but President Nixon was too far embroiled with the Watergate scandal that he too did nothing. After the US ambassador to Cyprus was assasinated by the Greek-Cypriots, and the coup in Greece began with their junta trying to kill Makarios and Nikos Sampson, Turkey realized that she had no other choice and thus enforced its obligation (under the treaty) to act unilaterally. Liberation began on July 20, 1974. At first, thr Turkish military swept in and captured Kerinya and the surrounding areas. Then Ecivit ordered a halt to the military, so as to continue negotiations with both Greece, England and now the US. weeks went by with no progress to be made. When it became obvious that the Greeks were merely stalling (and that their troops transport of 600 soldiers secretly being sent to the island was discovered and forced to return back to Greece) and the ritish had no intention of getting involved, Ecivit gave the order to the military to continue. This they did until they captured 40% of the island (half of Nicosia) and the UN formed the Green Line buffer zone (present to this day). The liberation was indeed perfectly legal and within the context of the tri-lateral treaty!! The REAL reason that Greeks and Armenians still dislike us is because they hate to see a Moslem nation succeed and grow. Just a few years ago, there was a plan to unite both sides. Every nation in the world, including Greece, was in support of it. Then UN Secretary General Koffi Annan said it was a great idea. Turkey and the Turkish-Cypriots all voted for it. Only the Greek-Cypriots were against it for their own selfish reasons, thus causing the entire initative to fail! Shortly after liberation, the world’s media documented very well the mass graves which they found (hundreds upon hundreds of bound Turkish civilians), and are still finding! In 1975, the Greeks made an incrediblely shameless statement, in that those uncovered graves of positively identified Turks were “actually Greek bodies killed by Turks”! When the world media pinted it, the whole planet was ready to ream the Greeks a new hole! I don’t remember if they ever apologized, but nothing more ever became of it.
Thirdly, before the Ottomans captured Cyprus, it was held by the Venitians for many centuries! The last time any Greeks had any possesion of it was during Alexander’s Empire! So, with just a bit more of research and a lot less racist comments by certain individuals (e.g. Gayane, Thomas, etc.), one can see what history plainly shows as the truth. I’m sure that the same will occur, with the establishment of the joint historical commission regarding Turkey and Armenia. Once all of the archives are researched, then we’ll all know the actual truth once and for all, allowing us all closure and the ability to move forward in peace!
Karo, Jay, et al,
Since you bring up the UN Security Council, please check to see the four sections of violation which the Armenians committed (and still do) in regards to the demands of the immediate withdrawl of all Armenian troops from the NK region! If you’re going to play with fire, you better be prepared to get burned!
Robert, you wrote:
“The REAL reason that Greeks and Armenians still dislike us is because they hate to see a Moslem nation succeed and grow“.
Your CUP Ittihadists of Turkey pillaged, raped, molested, murdered, stole and annihilated more than two million Armenians, whereas all of today’s Eastern turkey (Anatolia) was Western Armenia for more than 5,000 years. Your turkish government stole all our business, homes, lands, cultural monuments and Churches and enormous amount of our monies. You peopoe sat on all of these after your government annihilated all it’s inhabitants; and your denialist govenment make enormous amount of illegal lies that the Armenians killed them, when the turks in turkey in 1915 were 4 million and Armenians were 3 million, and yet the Turks today are 73 1/2 million yet all around the world we are a mere 8-10 million, who murdered who? If you can count Robert then start counting
Robert, We Armenians do not hate the Turks of today. We justly have an issue with your denialist government of today and of the past 96 years who are in denial that an enormous and an atrocious genocide of more than 2 Million Armenians by the hands of the CUP Ittihadists of Turkey didn’t occur when the entire world not only had a good knowledge of it but they wrote it in their papers and their archives of the occurences day by day how the Armenians were being murdered and butchered by the thousands by the hands of the CUP Ittihadists who masterminded and premeditated the Armenian Genocide. We
Robert, Your Turkey committed the murder of the Armenian nation, thus a Genocide and it is time to admit their nation’s crime and then pay reparations to Armenians for such a premeditated Genocide.
Armenians won the war in Nagorno-Karapakh/Artsakh in 1992 and more than 20% of today’s Azerbaijan was Armenia for thousands and thousands of years until Stalin only a mere 90 years ago gave it to them to appease your Kemal Ataturk. Do you understand that we won the war in Artsakh? We are the indigenous people of our country and yet we had to go to war and win it again. Despite that we wouldn’t have to go to war if the Azeri/Tatars didn’t murder, barbarically mutilated all the Armenians in the Baku and Sumgeit and four other regions. It is Azerbaijan who are constantly attacking the Armenians after they signed international papers that they would abide by the ceasefire law. It is the Azeris that are constantly threatening that they’ll go into war with Armenians as they have all kinds of expensive war machines lavishly bought by the Baku oil. Armenians are there only to protect their people from more annihilations by the Azeris.
Seervart jan.. admire your patience.. truly do… great job slapping Robert on his face with tactic and professionalism..
I on the other hand will not be as nice… so here it goes…
Ohhh Robert. cry me a river.. you think we are going to take your sob story as fact?? HA.. but before we get into your messed up comment… (if I may be frank with you Robert and straight forward.. i believe you demonstrate bipolar attitude.. truely do)… but i will let the reader decide that… here we go..
I would like to take everyone to the memory lane and share the journey of Robert’s posts…to show the progression of how many avatars you used and the change in your style of writings…
… as I want to show everyone how creative but not so smart you are…..
Robert
August 20, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
Avery,
It’d sure be nice if you knew what you were talking about! Armenia lives for handouts!! Must I remind you of Armenia’s economic standing (only Madagascar is worse)? Without my tax dollars going to one of the most corrupt and religiously oppressive nations on the planet, and also without the Russian military there to protect you (LMAO), Armenia would be the typical professional beggars that they’ve been for the past century! So cry me a river and read a book for once (not the typical ARF dashnak Armenian propaganda)!
Robert
August 22, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
I very recently just lost my brother to heart disease. I’ve come to a point in my life that hate and this constant “one up-manship” is wrong. I still believe that we need to debate if we are to settle our differences and be able to come to terms and reconcile, but ever since my personal family loss, my feelings and outlook towards life have truly changed. It doesn’t matter whether you nor anyone else believes me. Life is too damn short to continue this nonesense. I guess what I’m trying to say to you, and to the rest of you on this site, is that I’m sorry for any smartass remarks I may have made, as well as any personal insults I may have said in the past. It was wrong and not a mature approach to deal with a complex issue. Sometimes, one’s feelings just well up from deep inside and come forth before one has a total grasp of those feelings, and translated into words that may be hurtful, ugly and/or misconstrued. I think that we’re all guilty of this to varying extents. If you all can forgive me for my past and recent transgressions, I certainly, and already have, forgiven all of you for your negative contributions as well. I believe that we all can be friends. I extend my hand to you all in burying the hatchet and taking those first important steps to becoming friends once more. I don’t mean to ramble (it’s not always easy to find the words one feels), but there it is. I’d be more than happy to come back to give positive inputs if so invited. If not, then I’ll understand and bother you no more (no grudges held either). Sometimes we all have to take chances in life!
Robert
August 22, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
To the editorial board:
I’ve said/written some cruel and neagative things about you. For this I sincerely apologize. I have no real excuse other than the frustration of having my comments censored or deleted, and thus being unable to defend myself at crucial periods. Regardless though, those reasons are no excuse for some of the horrible things that I had written to you. It was wrong of me and I’m sorry.
Robert
August 23, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
Thank you for your kind words. I know that they were sincere. May we all strive to settle and overcome our differences and once again become the brothers and sisters God intended for us to be.
Robert
August 27, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
HovsepM,
You’re wrong in your assumption about me. I’ve already written that I wish to provide positive input for all parties, so that an amicable solution can be reached and agreed to by all. I have a lot of very recent personal pain to deal with, which has given me a new insight. Although I have not given up on my beliefs of historical facts (as backed up by my grandfamilies documentations and verbal accounts of that era), I also believe that all sides suffered………… This is why a historical commission is so important (comprised of both Armenian, Turkish and neutral scholars), to review all archives and hopefully get to the truth of what truly occurred. I don’t believe that only Turks should be portrayed as being evil (when you know as well as I do that crimes were committed by all), and thus be solely expected to provide an apology (what about an apology from the Armenian side for their actions/roles?). the Turks and Armenians living outside (e.g. Europe and America) don’t have a full grasp of what they feel in Turkey and Armenia. This is a major factor that constantly creates problems. They say that they’re happy and “wish that those living outside would stop causing trouble”. This goes for both sides! I for one feel that they’re correct. We who live here in the US need not stick our noses into their lives over there. Let them settle their issues! Perhaps then the NK situation and any other problem can thus be settled, with new freindship treaties between Turkey, Armenia and Azebaijan signed, creating cooperation in many areas (economical, scientific, cultural, etc.), with mutual advancement and peace in the region.
AND YOUR LAST POST MATCHES TO YOUR AVATAR ABOVE….ahhhhh.. guess the mourning period is over Robert…
Robert
August 28, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
You can’t have your cake and eat it too! Keep in mind that the more which is made of this, the more of a backlash it will provide when it comes time for settling the NK situation. Rest assured that Turkey, Azerbaijan and Moslems world-wide will NOT go gently into that good night! They will pay close attention to what PM Erdogan is doing AND what the reactions from Armenians and Greeks will be, and how they will reciprocate. My advice thus, is to stop grumbling for everything on the planet, and act like adults. Otherwise, you simply give impetus for what I mentioned earlier.
and do you remember what i said to you? let me remind you just in case you forgot to read it or simply overlooked it…
I was a bit skeptical myself to read about such a revelation in Robert The Turk…. i knew it was abit too good to be true but i gave him the benefit of the doubt.. however, if he is pulling our leg with this story, he better not come back on these pages or else he will be called out so many times with such force on these pages, that he will regret playing with people like that…
Guess you could not help yourself.. well it was your choice.. so be prepared…
gayane
August 28, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
TO ALL: JUST IN CASE the avatars do not come through in my last comment, I want to ensure that each avatar used by Robert the Turk except the last two comments have different style and different colors..
Black and white
Pink and white
Red and white
Purple and white
Strawberry red and white
Robert———
You said
Since you bring up the UN Security Council, please check to see the four sections of violation which the Armenians committed (and still do) in regards to the demands of the immediate withdrawl of all Armenian troops from the NK region! If you’re going to play with fire, you better be prepared to get burned
Hmm.. lets see.. as my sister Seervart beautifully stated in one of her posts: ARTSAGH WAS GIVEN by evil Stalin.. again Artsagh was GIVEN by evil Stalin.. again.. Artsagh was GIVEN by evil Stalin.. again.. Artsagh was GIVEN by evil Stalin to your physco leader to fullfill his needs.. reading it over and over might help you remember this… hopefully…
Artsagh was NEVER, and WILL NEVER BE AZERBAJIANs territory because it was not to begin with…. please tattoo this on your forehead, on the wall, on the paper.. wherever you want… but remember this once and for all.. Artsagh belonged to Armenians and will remain as such … ESPECIALLY when Armenians WON THE WAR.. fair and square.. how embarassing for Azeris who had advantage over Armenians in so many levels yet could not do much but lose the war.. i never seen such a ridiculeous thing to have the losing side b#*$(#*$(# ch about losing… how pathetic….. Azeris and Turks sure PLAYED WITH FIRE.. FIRE OF DETERMINED AND FULL OF PASSION ARMENIANS..who knew exactly what they were fighting for…Azeris and Turks sure DID PLAY WITH FIRE AND THEY GOT BURNED. …and THEY GOT BURNED REAL GOOD…
So get off the case sir…
Gayane
Dear Gayane, Thank you for stating the facts as they are again that is to Robert, who unfortunately is very much behaving as a denialist Turk and it is disheartening for yourself and for all of us to repeatedly say it as it is. Therefore it is understandable for us to hit our heads to the wall (so to speak) every now and then when we come across to such denialist people. I truly admire your great interest, determination and above all your untiring vigor to stand on the side of the truth, the ethical and the civilized Armenian nation that is yours, mine and numerous others of our compatriots in here. I wish to applaud the Armenian Weekly editors and the administrators who are demonstrating their open mindededness.
Seervart jan… i will continue to type away as long as my fingers have energy in them and life… it is absolutely disheartening to know that denialists do not want to step back and understand why we are frustrated and annoyed by their immoral treatment and approach to the Genocide and toward our ancestors.. to them it is a game of who is powerful and who has the big guns… well unfortunately, they have a tonge 10 inch long because they are sitting on our money… however, once that is taken away, they will be as same as where their ancestors came from.. having NOTHING… whch is why they are running around with their feathers all raffled because they know what will happen if they admit and acknowledge and pay up….
but this whole process can be very civilized, smooth and very amicable if they let go of their evil egoes… it is just tooo bad…
Misht qez hargox :)
Gayane
AKA… As my friend Avery calls me “ARmenian Lady Samurai”…:)
For those persons who doubt or don’t know about Cyprus problem we can say the following.Cyprus problem is the 1974 illegal and atrocious invasion of Cyprus which is in violation of allUN Security council,and EU resolutions and in violation of International law.
Cyprus dispute of Turkish Cypriot minority of 18% can easy be resolved if only we can apply a Democratic solution based on the internationally accepted principle of Majority Rule, implementation of UN and Security council countless resolutions .UN ,Security council resolutions like ,the ones Turkey violates are the following very few : 1) UN Resolution #3212 issued in November of 1974 calls for the removal of all Turkey’s army troops which invaded Cyprus on July 20 1974 endorsed by the security council resolution #365 on December 13/ 1974 . 2) UN Security council resolution #541 issued in November of 1983 calls the PSEUDO STATE “TRNC” NULL and VOID and urged all countries not to recognize it. 3) UN resolution 550 issued in 1984 calls upon all states to respect the Republic of Cyprus and not to recognize the illegal pseudo “TRNC”created by the force of arms on stolen properties and houses of the uprooted Greek Cypriots.
There are countless UN security council and EU resolutions which Turkey violates and ignores since Turkey’s 1974 atrocious and illegal invasion of Cyprus. We believe it is about time to enforce the law and UN and Security council resolutions for the sake of peace and JUSTICE must be DONE to FREE Cyprus.
Sincerely Nondas
good posts Seervart and Gayane.
Dear Robert,
I did check all four ‘corners’ and turns out, Nagorno Karabakh, is one of Armenia’s province. Next question ,PLZ.
Avery jan.. but never as good as yours..:)
Jay jan– YOU are hillarious..:) loved your post…
Gayane
Gayane jan, I hope you will have life in your being and your fingers for a thousand years, and but with a good health that is happiness my dear!!!
I love you and Avery right back!!!
Jay jan, You put it well!!
Firstly, I was disappointed in the editorial board to delete my last post. I had thought that they too had changed for the beter. I suppose that when it comes down to certain topics, well…
Secondy, to Nondas, you give UN resolutions based on a form of duress from the Greek lobby. This lead to the congressional arms embargo (also passed from intense pressure from the Greek lobby). How do I know this? because I, along with several others (before ATAA and other Turkish groups existed to defend themselves) were there trying to get our case heard. Our senators did support us once they learned the truth of the matter. Now, your posting these is a respone to a legally sanctioned response to the tri-lateral peace treaty of 1960 between Turkey, Greece and England…and you KNOW it!! There’s nothing illegal about the liberation of 1974! Had it not occurred, the Turkish-Cypriot population would have all been ethnically cleansed, just as the red bearded butcher Makarios and his henchmen Grivas and Nikos Sampson planned for since the Akritas plan of 1960 was discovered! Enosis was their ultimate goal. But you see, all of your rantings, and all of your lies (openly ignoring [or denying] what happened to thousands of Turkish civilians) has a different effect in that even God said ENOUGH! HE was the one who made sure salvation came to those suffering in 1974. HE made sure that Makarios was chased away by the Greek junta (as they put a bounty on his head, do you remember that?). Makarios had to escape by a British helicopter. Grivas (the organizer of the EOKA-A and EOKA-B terrorist groups on Cyprus) eventually died. So you see, in comparrison with a legitimate treaty being inforced as written and agreed to by all parties involved, what you brought up is…nothing! The UN demands Armenian troops out of NK. Armenia openly defies and violates four of these sections. Is the world doing anything? No! Did they have a treaty obligation to fullfill? No! So for you (and Jay) to trivialize the 1960 tri-lateral treaty is grossly hypocritical when compared to the continuous violations of the UN security council’s demands for Armenian troop withdrawls from NK! It’s not going fly, so you need not waste any more of everyone’s time whining about it.
Finally, this is to Gayane. I try hard to be patient with you. You unfortunately have a natural mean streak in your heart and soul. You love to make personal attacks (which the editorial board seems to always condone). Please Gayane, you really need to grow up (you’re fooling no one with your “Samurai” nonsense)! One of you from a post regarding a different topic (the return of property) had the audacity of accussing me of “concocting my personal tradgedy”! All I can say to that person is may God forgive you!
stop complaining Robert oglu: you don’t like ArmenianWeekly – don’t post @AW.
Nobody is forcing you to come here.
You don’t like it here, go away: go and spread your Anti-Armenian propaganda @TodaysZaman and @Hurriyet. A Turk like you will be most welcome there.
You’ll have lots of company.
You should thank the Editors of AW for publishing as many of your posts as they do.
I had the audacity: your posting behaviour left very little doubt it was concocted. Prove me wrong.
Not only your hateful behaviour did not change as you promised, but it has become more virulent.
We are also aware that in that same thread there were 4 posts under 4 different icons/avatars posting under ‘Robert’ one after the other pretending to be same ‘Robert’. Who does that ?
Robert, I don’t think any Armenian site or a newpaper will publish your denialist oriented posts. No one. You are truly lucky to come across the AW people who are very patient with you as they are truly open minded editors. If I went to Today’s Zamaan or Hurriett, one of your Turkish papers and I posted against them the way you do it in here, frankly I don’t think they’ll publish my posts. You are so very lucky to come across to such gentlemen in AW. No Armenian sites tolerate denialist Turks.
Please refrain from speaking towards Gayane the way you have. She is a saint to tolerate you when you have tried us time and time again, and take the good advice of Avery; that is if you are disappointed then you are free to leave.
Robert, I am one who wondered if your story was for real or a concoction. If I am wrong, than I sincerely apologize for trivializing such a tragic event. If it is true, I hope your recent tragedy will increase your compassion for others and help open your eyes to the truth of what Armenians suffered at the hands of your Ottoman ancestors.
Terrible things happen during war, but the vast majority of innocent, Armenian women, children and elderly, living in interior provinces far from any battlefronts, were never any threat to Turkey and did not deserve to be sent on death marches that resulted in the death of 1.5 million people and the elimination of Armenians from their historical homeland. Surely, the new Robert can see that someone must pay for such a crime. It doesn’t matter how you try to justify the acts of the CUP. A crime was perpetrated by a government, against its own innocent citizens, just because they were of a certain ethnicity. This is targeted destruction of a group. This is genocide.
Your recent posts have been inconsistent and leave me wondering whether there is one Robert or a committee posting as Robert. The bottom line is that you choose to visit this site and repeat falsehoods and insensitive remarks to the descendants of murdered Armenians. Do you really expect that we will welcome distortion and denial of the truth on these pages? Don’t be naive. You come here to promote your own agenda, which appears to be to ‘defend Turkey at all costs.’ This is offensive and lacking in basic human compassion. Maybe you should take some time off and spend time with family so that you can mourn your brother and attend to what matters most.
Robert you said:
Firstly, I was disappointed in the editorial board to delete my last post. I had thought that they too had changed for the beter. I suppose that when it comes down to certain topics, well…
AW does not have to change .. they are doing their job…the better question would be..
WHEN are YOU going to change?? You DID announce your change on a public forum but we yet to see it…so dont’ cry me a river..
Thank you
P.S. I am sorry I missed it again.. which Robert is posting now? which number again?? please don’t forget to mention this in your posts or else I will keep asking you….
Robert you said:
Finally, this is to Gayane. I try hard to be patient with you. You unfortunately have a natural mean streak in your heart and soul. You love to make personal attacks (which the editorial board seems to always condone). Please Gayane, you really need to grow up (you’re fooling no one with your “Samurai” nonsense)! One of you from a post regarding a different topic (the return of property) had the audacity of accussing me of “concocting my personal tradgedy”! All I can say to that person is may God forgive you!
Robert- DID YOU or DID YOU NOT lie to us about your change.. DID I or DID I NOT gave you a fair warning?? Unless you missed it here it is again:
My first post to you….
gayane
August 22, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
Robert … for a minute I thought I was reading someone else’s comment..such a contrast from your previous posts…
I am sorry to hear about your loved one passing away.. It is always a tragedy to lose someone you love and close to you.. God knows, we Armenians know that feeling of loss and pain very well..
However, I am just sad that something like this had to happen in your life to turn the tide around… all those times when a comment popped up by you.. it would have saved us great deal of back and forth if you only stopped and asked yourself…why am I doing this, why am I saying this .. why am I sharing such filth with Armenians… knowing very well what my people went through and going through was and is pure pain and unacceptable treatement…Well you learn from your mistakes I guess…
Do not want to sound insensitive; however our reaction to your comments to some extent were justified regardless if they were a bit harsh at times..it was not done intentionally or with cruel intentions; however they were deserved…but in any case, enough said… i just hope that what you expressed here is not a simple decoy to deflate our annoyance with your past insensitive comments.. but truly a confession that maybe it is time for you and hopefully many of your friends who are still in denial to come out of their comma and understand what truly happened at a more deeper level .
Again, sorry for your loss…
My second post
Gayane
August 22, 2011 | Permalink | Reply
I was a bit skeptical myself to read about such a revelation in Robert The Turk…. i knew it was abit too good to be true but i gave him the benefit of the doubt.. however, if he is pulling our leg with this story, he better not come back on these pages or else he will be called out so many times with such force on these pages, that he will regret playing with people like that…
Gayane
It is apparent from the list of your posts (that I can repost over and over and over again if you like) you simply used the story to get us to soften toward you.. but you did not take under consideration that we will catch you in your game… and if i may be frank with you… the thread of posts you posted recently truly showed no difference whatso ever between how you were in the past than how you are now.. except now you are the same denialist in a more sugar coated way…….please know that when you step on our toes and play us like you have been doing but most of all insulting the memories of my ancestors by spreading lies and distortion will receive no exception… I will point out your lie over and over and over again..it is only fair…. don’t you think???
Seervart jan– mersi quyrik jan…
Unfortunately Robert has his own agenda and he will do everything to accomplish it..even if it means to tell us stories to hit a soft nerve because we know how it is to lose a loved one… unfortunately we have lost our loveds ones in cruel barbaric way.. however, he was warned in a fair way… and so far he has not demonstrated any change.. therefore, my promise to call him out and point out his lie over and over will continue… stating the facts scare denialists….
Mish qez hargox
Gayane
Avery jan– Robert does that.. apparently this is a game for him… now HE has the audocity to do that to us..
again.. i gave him the benefit of the doubt but so far I have not seen any change in him… just like you have not..
Boyajian jan– very nice post… well done..