Putin: Armenia not recognizing Artsakh was ‘a significant factor’
Harut SassounianNovember 23, 2020Last Updated: November 23, 2020
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(Photo: President of Russia, November 17, 2020)
Russian President Vladimir Putin replies to media questions on developments in Nagorno-Karabakh (Photo: President of Russia, November 17, 2020)
Pres. Vladimir Putin of Russia made several important comments in his response to journalists on Nov. 17, 2020, regarding the recent Artsakh War ceasefire that he brokered between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Harut Sassounian is the publisher of The California Courier, a weekly newspaper based in Glendale, Calif. He is the president of the Armenia Artsakh Fund, a non-profit organization that has donated to Armenia and Artsakh one billion dollars of humanitarian aid, mostly medicines, since 1989 (including its predecessor, the United Armenian Fund). He has been decorated by the presidents of Armenia and Artsakh and the heads of the Armenian Apostolic and Catholic churches. He is also the recipient of the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
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It is highly unlikeky that any of this is true. I highly doubt Russia would have welcomed a recognition of Artsakh. Putin would have simply said: no country recognized Artsakh except Armenia which included not only Artsakh but the adjacent territories as well, and this provoked Azerbaijan. The game is simple, he is trying to claim that we have made mistakes which is not true, maybe recognition of Artsakh would have been better in a way but it is highly unlikely that it would have made the result of the last war any different. People should know something, Russia wanted this. It knew about the attack, there is no way Turkey gave this massive support to Azerbaijan without the Russians agreeing on it. The balance of power changed and Azerbaijan has become important and so Russia had to put its military on the ground to take control. One might wonder, will Russia have a different approach if we recognized Artsakh now? Azerbaijan and Turkey will call it provocation and Russia will condemn the move, plain and simple. Talking about Shushi is also a joke, Pashinyan called for Russian peacekeepers in October when Shushi was secured, Russia back then said all sides have to agree on this. Which means Russia decidedbto wait until Azerbaijan fulfills its task. Enough talk about the past, we have done nothing as a nation except talk about what could have happened and what could have been. The deal has been made, let us work, make a great economy and a great military, then Russia will love to support us back. Plain and simple.
Harut, you are being silly, at best uninformed. Russian officials have for many years been telling Yerevan to recognize Artsakh if Armenians want other nations to recognize Artsakh. This historic defeat and tragedy is first and foremost our fault. Nikol’s regime was put into power by the “international community” for the main purpose of handing Artsakh to the Azeris. Because he is such an incompetent and vile person, he ended up giving Azeris much more than Baku could ever imagine, and killed thousands of Armenians in the process…
Of course Russia did nothing wrong ‘concerned Armenian’ or rather should I say concerned Russian. Same old pro-Russia trolling always letting Russians off the hook. How is the weather like in Moscow.
“Russian officials have for many years been telling Yerevan to recognize Artsakh if Armenians want other nations to recognize Artsakh”. Ah, no they haven’t. They have been pushing a give back lands for some future imaginary referendum deal. Total nonsense. Lets be clear: It was Russia that gave Artsakh and Nakichivan to Azerbaijan in the first place. It was Russia that gave a green light to the pogroms in Baku and Sumgaite. How does one ignore this? Russia likes a weak and dependent Armenia. This war scenario outcome fits perfectly for Armenia screw light’s interest, basically Russian wishes. Pashinyan, though not a bad person, is in way over his head. He is neither politically nor militarily savvy. He is a pawn. Useless to be in this current position for Armenia’s best future interest but terrific for the current Turkish Azeri and even Russian wishes. A strong independent Armenia isn’t good for Russia. That’s always been perfectly clear.
Armenia’s next leaders must make it clear that the capitulation was to end the bloodshed, nothing more.. but that Artsakh will never be part of Azerbaijan and that if need be will eventually start another war in the future to liberate historic Armenian lands yet once again. Make it clear that this war isn’t over..The reason screw light calls this stance “suicide” is because again, it likes a weak Armenia dependent upon Russian hegemony and is making it perfectly clear that it wont help its supposed ally in any way to strengthen it for any future endeavors. Armenia needs to use Russia as a pawn. Nothing more. Cozy up to it enough to get cheap modern military weaponry. Then build the most advanced army ever as its main goal. It needs to indoctrinate diaspora army units to massively increase manpower and resources as diaspora kids on the front line will generate and motivate like nothing else will. Also diaspora trained units will stay and repopulate and contribute and counter the years of theft by the Karabakh traitors who promoted emigration. Its a win win win.. All future funds need to be spent on security. A great economy is fine but without stable security Armenia cant be the master of its own destiny and will just be at the whim of our perpetual enemies and for screw light as well..Russia. Independent and strong is nothing Russia wants for Armenia..That simple.
I don’t understand this article, without knowing hard facts it becomes speculation. Why would I believe a fraud like Putin? Russia has been a hypocrite against Armenia for the past century, there is zero indication that anything is different now.
Before 2020, 2016 was the key year. Both times Russia knew of any attack, was there any warning, preparations, support, solidarity, etc for Armenians? NO! For the past 30 years, all we got from “ally” Russia was the same as any other international response when Azerbaijan committed acts of war and violence: the false equivalency of “both sides need to stop”. However, if it had been Armenia instigating such acts, both the international community and Russia would have come down hard on Armenia. Throughout that period of 30 years, only the nation of Cyprus who is powerless to help Armenia ever bravely expressed outright support and solidarity with Armenia.
I do not believe that “it was OK with Russia is Armenia had recognized Artsakh”. Putin is just claiming that now to save face for its blatant and outright treachery against Armenia. If it had been OK with Russia, Armenia would have recognized Artsakh long ago.
Putin even reveals his own fraud by talking about Crimea, Ossetia and Abkhazia and, laughably, “international law”. When it came to Russia, “international law” was nowhere to be seen. When it came to Armenia, as always, suddenly “international law” is a thing. Even here, Putin conveniently and deliberately avoids the principle of Self-Determination which is also “international law”. Oh and by the way, was it part of “international law” to violate Armenia’s own sovereignty and territory to give Turks/Azeris a road through Armenia? TOTAL FRAUD!
One has to be very gullible to believe that Russia “had no idea about this war”, and that now “tragically we must sign an agreement”. This whole thing was scripted by Russia, Turkey, Azerbaijan and the “Armenian”-“Government”, and possibly oil and energy interests were at play here, to the detriment of who else, Armenia, as always. I believe our fighters in Artsakh before I believe any lying scumbag politician whether from Armenia or Russia. Before this “war” was over, a lot of talk was going on about “dirty politics” on the ground, and all of it proved to be true.
As usual, Greg is always back to the same concern trolling. Argue in good faith if you want a response.
It is very unusual for Harut to report on the statements of a high ranking official without offering his analyses as he did here. We know Putin would never have allowed Armenia to recognize Artsakh not to mention the pariah it would have become with the Minsk Group and others. In the very unlikely event that the French govt takes the suggestion of the Senate and recognizes Artsakh and Armenia follows suit, Putin will surely go back on his word and say that France has forfeited its place in the Minsk Group and Armenia cannot recognize Artsakh now after peacekeepers are already there. We must see Putin for who he is. Russia is unwilling to undo what Stalin did. Russia was in on the fix. Russia got what it wanted. Putin calls Az a sovereign country who has every right to invite Turkey in to attack. Had a foreign country assisted Armenia, Putin would have pitched a fit. He even said Armenia proper was not attacked (a blatant lie) and thus the CSTO had no obligation to help.
I did write my analysis. You may want to read my article again.
Armenian leadership needing to practice national unity
It is highly unlikeky that any of this is true. I highly doubt Russia would have welcomed a recognition of Artsakh. Putin would have simply said: no country recognized Artsakh except Armenia which included not only Artsakh but the adjacent territories as well, and this provoked Azerbaijan. The game is simple, he is trying to claim that we have made mistakes which is not true, maybe recognition of Artsakh would have been better in a way but it is highly unlikely that it would have made the result of the last war any different. People should know something, Russia wanted this. It knew about the attack, there is no way Turkey gave this massive support to Azerbaijan without the Russians agreeing on it. The balance of power changed and Azerbaijan has become important and so Russia had to put its military on the ground to take control. One might wonder, will Russia have a different approach if we recognized Artsakh now? Azerbaijan and Turkey will call it provocation and Russia will condemn the move, plain and simple. Talking about Shushi is also a joke, Pashinyan called for Russian peacekeepers in October when Shushi was secured, Russia back then said all sides have to agree on this. Which means Russia decidedbto wait until Azerbaijan fulfills its task. Enough talk about the past, we have done nothing as a nation except talk about what could have happened and what could have been. The deal has been made, let us work, make a great economy and a great military, then Russia will love to support us back. Plain and simple.
Harut, you are being silly, at best uninformed. Russian officials have for many years been telling Yerevan to recognize Artsakh if Armenians want other nations to recognize Artsakh. This historic defeat and tragedy is first and foremost our fault. Nikol’s regime was put into power by the “international community” for the main purpose of handing Artsakh to the Azeris. Because he is such an incompetent and vile person, he ended up giving Azeris much more than Baku could ever imagine, and killed thousands of Armenians in the process…
Of course Russia did nothing wrong ‘concerned Armenian’ or rather should I say concerned Russian. Same old pro-Russia trolling always letting Russians off the hook. How is the weather like in Moscow.
“Russian officials have for many years been telling Yerevan to recognize Artsakh if Armenians want other nations to recognize Artsakh”. Ah, no they haven’t. They have been pushing a give back lands for some future imaginary referendum deal. Total nonsense. Lets be clear: It was Russia that gave Artsakh and Nakichivan to Azerbaijan in the first place. It was Russia that gave a green light to the pogroms in Baku and Sumgaite. How does one ignore this? Russia likes a weak and dependent Armenia. This war scenario outcome fits perfectly for Armenia screw light’s interest, basically Russian wishes. Pashinyan, though not a bad person, is in way over his head. He is neither politically nor militarily savvy. He is a pawn. Useless to be in this current position for Armenia’s best future interest but terrific for the current Turkish Azeri and even Russian wishes. A strong independent Armenia isn’t good for Russia. That’s always been perfectly clear.
Armenia’s next leaders must make it clear that the capitulation was to end the bloodshed, nothing more.. but that Artsakh will never be part of Azerbaijan and that if need be will eventually start another war in the future to liberate historic Armenian lands yet once again. Make it clear that this war isn’t over..The reason screw light calls this stance “suicide” is because again, it likes a weak Armenia dependent upon Russian hegemony and is making it perfectly clear that it wont help its supposed ally in any way to strengthen it for any future endeavors. Armenia needs to use Russia as a pawn. Nothing more. Cozy up to it enough to get cheap modern military weaponry. Then build the most advanced army ever as its main goal. It needs to indoctrinate diaspora army units to massively increase manpower and resources as diaspora kids on the front line will generate and motivate like nothing else will. Also diaspora trained units will stay and repopulate and contribute and counter the years of theft by the Karabakh traitors who promoted emigration. Its a win win win.. All future funds need to be spent on security. A great economy is fine but without stable security Armenia cant be the master of its own destiny and will just be at the whim of our perpetual enemies and for screw light as well..Russia. Independent and strong is nothing Russia wants for Armenia..That simple.
I don’t understand this article, without knowing hard facts it becomes speculation. Why would I believe a fraud like Putin? Russia has been a hypocrite against Armenia for the past century, there is zero indication that anything is different now.
Before 2020, 2016 was the key year. Both times Russia knew of any attack, was there any warning, preparations, support, solidarity, etc for Armenians? NO! For the past 30 years, all we got from “ally” Russia was the same as any other international response when Azerbaijan committed acts of war and violence: the false equivalency of “both sides need to stop”. However, if it had been Armenia instigating such acts, both the international community and Russia would have come down hard on Armenia. Throughout that period of 30 years, only the nation of Cyprus who is powerless to help Armenia ever bravely expressed outright support and solidarity with Armenia.
I do not believe that “it was OK with Russia is Armenia had recognized Artsakh”. Putin is just claiming that now to save face for its blatant and outright treachery against Armenia. If it had been OK with Russia, Armenia would have recognized Artsakh long ago.
Putin even reveals his own fraud by talking about Crimea, Ossetia and Abkhazia and, laughably, “international law”. When it came to Russia, “international law” was nowhere to be seen. When it came to Armenia, as always, suddenly “international law” is a thing. Even here, Putin conveniently and deliberately avoids the principle of Self-Determination which is also “international law”. Oh and by the way, was it part of “international law” to violate Armenia’s own sovereignty and territory to give Turks/Azeris a road through Armenia? TOTAL FRAUD!
One has to be very gullible to believe that Russia “had no idea about this war”, and that now “tragically we must sign an agreement”. This whole thing was scripted by Russia, Turkey, Azerbaijan and the “Armenian”-“Government”, and possibly oil and energy interests were at play here, to the detriment of who else, Armenia, as always. I believe our fighters in Artsakh before I believe any lying scumbag politician whether from Armenia or Russia. Before this “war” was over, a lot of talk was going on about “dirty politics” on the ground, and all of it proved to be true.
As usual, Greg is always back to the same concern trolling. Argue in good faith if you want a response.
It is very unusual for Harut to report on the statements of a high ranking official without offering his analyses as he did here. We know Putin would never have allowed Armenia to recognize Artsakh not to mention the pariah it would have become with the Minsk Group and others. In the very unlikely event that the French govt takes the suggestion of the Senate and recognizes Artsakh and Armenia follows suit, Putin will surely go back on his word and say that France has forfeited its place in the Minsk Group and Armenia cannot recognize Artsakh now after peacekeepers are already there. We must see Putin for who he is. Russia is unwilling to undo what Stalin did. Russia was in on the fix. Russia got what it wanted. Putin calls Az a sovereign country who has every right to invite Turkey in to attack. Had a foreign country assisted Armenia, Putin would have pitched a fit. He even said Armenia proper was not attacked (a blatant lie) and thus the CSTO had no obligation to help.
I did write my analysis. You may want to read my article again.
Armenian leadership needing to practice national unity
https://asbarez.com/putin-says-yerevan-rejected-his-plan-to-cede-less-territory-in-artsakh/
and on Sushi.
https://asbarez.com/putin-says-yerevan-rejected-his-plan-to-cede-less-territory-in-artsakh/