MOSCOW (A.W.)—The Kremlin has announced that Russian President Vladimir Putin will attend the Armenian Genocide Centennial commemorations in Yerevan in April.
“Yes, he will fly to Yerevan,” Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told France’s Agence France-Presse (AFP). Peskov added that Putin discussed his plans to visit Yerevan with his Armenian counterpart President Serge Sarkisian via telephone on March 12.
According to Sarkisian’s press service, theydiscussed key aspects of the strategic partnership between Armenia and Russia, and exchanged views on further integration processes; the Treaty on Armenia’s Accession to the Eurasian Economic Union was put into force on Jan. 2.
Putin and Sarkisian specifically discussed the peaceful use of nuclear energy and oil and gas sectors.
They also coordinated their upcoming meetings to ensure joint participation in events marking both the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide and the 70th anniversary of the Red Army’s victory over the Nazi forces.
The State Duma, the lower house of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, recognized the Armenian Genocide on April 14, 1995, and accepted April 24 as a Day of Remembrance for the victims of the genocide.
This is great news. C”mon Putin, help the Armenians as much as you can. Respectfully, Movses & Anna Movsesian, Plymouth Mi. U.S.A.
Do you also respect him for protecting his murderous Russian soldier Valery Permyakov ??
nobody is protecting the murderer Russian soldier.
on the other hand, your Sultan Aliyev, promoted the convicted axe murderer Ramil Safaroglu and your people in Baku protect and treat him like a hero.
Bravo Mr.Putin / we love you / Дай бог вам Здоровье
Russophile more than Armenophile.
better to be Russophile than Turkophile like you, Hratch-oglu.
America should follow Mr. Putin’s deeply appreciated and respectful recognition of the Genocide.
Wooow… Isn’t he “scared” that building the pipeline may fail???? Or isn’t it in Russia’s “National Strategic Interest” to appease Turkey, Turks, Turkics…in the area????? Who cares about morality, righteousness, justice !!!!!! Is tiny Armenia and Armenians that more important than Corporate Interests ????
His only interest is absolute hegemony over Armenia and the region. Just read all the comments, his plan is already working. Always you must first hegemonize the masses before physically taking over.
your plan is failing, Hratch-oglu.
your Anti-Armenian propaganda and disinformation campaign is failing miserably, both @AW and @Asbarez.
Common Yerevan! Rise up to the occasion. No more “protocol” and “football diplomacy” with the sworn enemies of the Armenian people (pan-Turkism and Turkish racist-nationalism always the dominant ideology and force in Ankara and Alievstan). The Armenian state is the protector and defender of the entire Armenian people and its interests, including historical interests, rights and justice.
Syreli Putin, Madaghem kez, abres, ko nguer Artash Nahapetian
Սիրելի Արտաշ,
Պուտինը արժանի չէ, որ դուք նրան մատաղ լինեք: Նա բռնապետ սրիկա է, որին միայն հետաքրքրում է իր իշխանությունը: Նա Հայաստանին իր հետ տանում է կործանման: Սա պարզապես խաղ է՝ հայերի սիրտը սիրաշահելու, վերջերս տեղի ունեցած իրադարձություններից հետո (Գյումրու ընտանիքի սպանություն և այլն):
Բռնապետ սրիկան քո սուլթան Իլհամ Ալիեւն է:
Փառք Վլատիմիր Փութինին:
[«Փառք Վլատիմիր Փութինին»]
Մոռացար վերջում «ուռա» ճվալ, համբալօղլու: Ու ինչպես երևում է, Ալիևը քո սուլթանն է: Բոլորից ավելի դու ես իրենով հետաքրքրված:
Thank you Mr. President.
When we say we love you, we really mean it.
We remember you daily in our prayers.
Please take care.
God Bless You for ever and ever.
Nicolai Romashuk Hairabedian
I believe the word HELP IN INADEQUATE Armenians should not expect favors nor help….from any country big or small….
A Genocide has taken place during world war one PUTIN IS DOING WHAT IS RIGHT TO DO so is Holland….Armenians need act positively honoring their dignitaries….
I believe the word HELP IS INADEQUATE Armenians should not expect favors nor help….from any country big or small….
A Genocide has taken place during world war one PUTIN IS DOING WHAT IS RIGHT TO DO so is Holland….Armenians need act positively honoring their dignitaries….
“According to Sarkisian’s press service, the two discussed the key aspects of the strategic partnership between Armenia and Russia and exchanged views on further integration processes….”
What the need for further integration? We’re already an oblast. Proof is we’re equally suffering from the economic sanctions imposed on our mentor. Tsar Putin is merely paying a visit to one of his outposts.
Hratch, please look at who Armenia’s neighbors are.
Three million Armenians could survive 90 millions of
them, wake up and be realistic.
When did you homeland, Baku Khanate, become a Russian oblast ?
And the reason your gas station homeland is suffering is because the Aliyev Clan Crime Syndicate has been looting the dwindling oil revenue and sending it to Dubai.
Hratch,
Genocide is genocide and there is no need we Armenian get involved with politics. Armenian Genocide has happened and we have to survive as a nation in a volatile South Caucasus, where we are surrounded with 90 million nomadic Turkic herds, who wants to kill more of us, and capture the little left over landlocked Armenian land from Armenian Highlands. Armenian unity will be part of our nation building program, for our future generation.
thank-you mr.Putin for standing for the truth and our cause.
Shame on you Mr. Obama. You promised to recognise Armenian Genocide and didn’t keep your promise. Shame. Yet Mr. Putin recognised and will be in Yerevan on 24 April 2015.
One would think that a regional super power like Mother Russia can resolve the Armenian issue once and for all. But like a paper tiger, the best Mother Russia can do is talk and perhaps stir trouble in the region. Where is the mighty power we long for. Why is it that we ultimately look towards the west for justice?
“Why is it that we ultimately turn towards the West for justice?”.
And do you get it?…
The United states are taking Bribes from Turkish and Israel Government officials
The Turkish government also paid Off Prince Andrew
Thank God for Mother Russia!!!
Do we know of any officials from the United
States who will be in Erevan on April 24tj
to commerate this anniversary?
Dear president Putin
You assured forever your place in the heart of every armenian
Indeed, it’s very bright of us to identify with a regime who’s raison d’être is to:
1. Supporting dictators who use chemical weapons
2. Arm rebels to cause death and destruction
3. Land grab sovereign territory
4. Shooting down civilian airlines
5. Assassinate opposition figures
6. Create totalitarian rule
7. Institute a thugocracy
8. Encourage oligarchs
9. Tolerate corruption, bribery & blackmail
10. Discourage freedom
11. Dismantle democratic institutions
12. Hegemonize the region
13. Protect mad raging murderous soldiers
14. Sell sophisticated arms to the enemy of a supposed ally
15. Approach Turkey to run pipelines through
Was he invited to the Gallipoli circus?
Do you know if any officials from the United
states will be in Erevan on April 24th to
commemorate the 100th anniversary of the
Armenian Genocide?
And Mr. Obama, the president of the country that considers itself beacon of democracy and defender of universal human rights throughout the world, I suppose, will only use the phrase “Medz Yeghern” in his annual address, as has become customary in the recent years? Bravo, Putin! Ma-la-dec!
So where will Obama,Merkel,Cameron be? Either in turkey or definitely not Armenia!
We Armenians should understand – Armenia cannot ‘live’ without Russia.
Thank you Mr Putin.
Comparatively, American politicians are moral cowards, only hiding behind nuclear weapons and overfed with money.
There are several complex issues and geopolitical realities that many people can find fault in Putin and criticize his actions and politics, and be negative about anything he does or says.
Obviously he is not a friend of the West, and he is making matters much worse by pursuing his “plans” in Eastern Ukraine.
It is an undeniable fact that his main goal is to reestablish Russia to its old glory days, but he is paying a high price for it.
However, 1- Because of the geographical location of Armenia, squeezed between two unrelenting enemies,
2-whether we like or not, Armenia’s economic ties with Russia is not easily replaceable or avoidable,
3- Russia’s military presence in Armenia has been a major deterrent to Turkish/Azeri aggression.
I personally feel that Putin should be commended and given credit for personally attending the Genocide Centennial commemoration in
Yerevan.
I certainly am not a Russophile. But credit should be given when due.
Vart Adjemian
I feel exactly the same way Vart. As far as Armenia is concerned I don’t think we have the luxury to choose. For us at this point of time and until we can stand on our own feet, we have to be flexible, diplomatic and careful to maximise the help we are getting, whether it is moral support, or othrwise.
{“ Obviously he is not a friend of the West, and he is making matters much worse by pursuing his “plans” in Eastern Ukraine.”}
{“ It is an undeniable fact that his main goal is to reestablish Russia to its old glory days, but he is paying a high price for it.”}
Mr. Adjemian:
No need to repeat the disinformation being disseminated by Neocon MSM about Ukraine.
There was an illegal Neo-Nazi putsch in Ukraine.
The democratically elected Gov of Pres Yanukovych was overthrown by illegal means. Corrupt or not he _was_ legally elected.
(btw, all Ukraine Presidents have been corrupt since breakup of USSR)
The Kiev junta sent Neo-Nazi battalions (e.g. Azov) to ethnically cleanse ethnic Russians from E. Ukraine, where they are and have been majority for centuries.
NATO/Neocons have been moving ever closer to Russia’s borders since 1991 breakup of USSR, despite their promise to Gorby not to.
What do you think US would do if Chinese overthrew the government of Mexico, installed their puppet and militarized it against US ?
Neocons started the mess in Ukraine, and Russia has had enough and is pushing back.
[“There was an illegal Neo-Nazi putsch in Ukraine.”]
The Ukrainian revolution was not a putsch, hambaloghlu, but a democratic revolution. And it’s coming to Putin the thug. And to your idol clown Serzh. There are limits to the people’s patience.
So where’s Barack? The USA is not a friend to Armenia.
Russia is neither our friend nor enemy, simply another country which pursues its own interests. This is the same Russia which sells billions of dollar of weaponry to Azerbaijan. No need to get too excited, Putin is welcome and he has our respect for being in Yerevan for something which is so important for us but I see no reason to glorify him.
My sentiments exactly.
Thank you Minas. Every country’s main interest is it’s own success. Turkey and Azerbaijan are our enemies. That’s for certain, the rest we cannot be sure. No country would be willing to go to war to claim our rights however, some countries tend to lean towards justice when they don’t need to. These may be considered friendly, but we should not fall in love or hate anyone based on a simple gesture.
This is the same Russia that sells advanced weaponry to RoA at a discount or at cost. Sometimes free of charge.
This is the same Russia that maintains 5,000 troops in RoA which prevent NATO member Turkey from invading Armenia.
Same Russia which told Turkey to get lost in 1993, when it massed an invasion army at the RoA border: purpose being to cut through Southern Armenia and race to Baku to save the criminal regime there from the impending massive defeat at the hands of NKR army.
Maybe we should instead, quote, ‘glorify’ US Asst Sect Victoria Nuland, who had the audacity to demand, in Yerevan, that Armenians release the two terrorist murderers of 17-year-old Smbat Tsakanyan on so-called “humanitarian grounds” (sic).
I guess NATO and Neocons liked the glorification of the axe murderer by Turkbaijan so much, now they want to double-down.
Why not ? murder an Armenian man in his sleep, and get promoted.
Kidnap, torture, then murder an Armenian youth in his own village, and enjoy a glorious retirement in the seaside resort of Baku.
Courtesy of US Assistant Secretary Victoria “F___ EU” Nuland.
minas.
If Russia didn’t sell weapons to the Azeri’s someone else would I.E Israel,U.S etc. Russia is doing business which is fine and is making money what is your point? Has ‘azerbaijan’ used these big arms against Armenians? No.
Russia supplies Armenia with free weaponry and sells Azerbaijan the ‘export’ version much less deadly.
Why do Armenians get so worked up about azeri buying weapons from Russia? so what? do you honestly think Russia will sit back and let Azerbaijan attack Armenia or Artsakh? This will never happen so why not let our brother making money???????????
His point is not to fall in love with Mother Russia. Keep your respect but don’t bend over backwards like Avery. Avery is blindly in love with Mother Russia. For him/her Mother Russia can do no wrong. In fact, Mother Russian’s raison d’être is to protect the interests of Armenia day and night. There is a limit to glorification, even Israel does not praise the US as much as Armenia does to her so-called ally. The fact of the matter is that some in our community are very immature and react on a dime. They are absolute putty in the hands of thug Tsar Putin et al.
“Has ‘azerbaijan’ used these big arms against Armenians? No.”
They already shot down a helicopter killing 3 armenian sevicemen.
If Azerbaijan restarts the war, they will be using the rusian arms. And Russia is making money off of selling weapons to Azerbaijan.
I’m sorry but this is nothing but making excuses on behalf of Russia.
Gev, Russia is presumably giving Armenia export versions too. Can you name me non-export arms that Russia has given Armenia?
{” They already shot down a helicopter killing 3 armenian sevicemen.”}
Turkbaijanis already KIA approx 40 Armenian young men using Israeli and Turkish military hardware (sniper rifles) in 2014.
Turkbaijanis already KIA approx 10 Armenian young men using Israeli and Turkish military hardware (sniper rifles) so far in 2015.
Let’s see: Turkbaijan used an Igla – which may or may not have been purchased after 1991 – to shoot down an NKR Mi-24 with the loss of 3 Armenian heroes.
Meanwhile, Turkbaijan used non-Russian hardware to kill approx 40 Armenians in 2014.
Meanwhile, Turkbaijan used no-Russian hardware to kill approx 10 Armenians in 2015.
Approx 50 Armenians killed by Turkbaijanis vs. 3 Armenians killed using Igla (allegedly purchased after 1991).
Any comment from our anti-Armenian Turkophile posters ?
Random ‘Armenian’: I am waiting for your excuse for your murderous Turkbaijani buddies.
Our silly Russophobes need to leave politics and military matters to the experts. The Soviet era rocket that brought down the Armenian helicopter is one of the most widely used weapons in the world today. Also, our helicopter got too close to the Azeri border. We were basically showing off and the Tatars took advantage of the opportunity. One must be a total moron to blame Russians for what happened. Moscow has told Azerbaijan that it cant use any of the big arms it has sold against Armenia.
“Any comment from our anti-Armenian Turkophile posters ?
Random ‘Armenian’: I am waiting for your excuse for your murderous Turkbaijani buddies.”
I don’t have any “Turkbaijani” buddies Avery. Stop trying to win an argument by slandering people.
Armenia owes its survival to Russia.The Russian Empire carved out present-day Armenia from territories retrieved from the Persian Empire in 1813 and 1828.Further,the Red Army salvaged present-day Armenia from the hordes of Kemalist Turkey in 1920.Without Russian support,Turkey and Azerbaijan would together overrun Armenia in a matter of hours.Russian policy imperatives may not suit Armenians all the time,but when the nation’s survival is at stake,all other considerations will have to take a back seat.
Hratch is obviously not “in love with Mother Russia”.Neither is he with Armenia for that matter…
My love of Armenia is what makes me wonder why we are so much in awe of Mother Russia. I don’t mind having strategic alliances, in fact it is necessary, but the relationship that has developed is demented to say the least. Its a master-slave relationship. The only reason it turned out this way is because we expressed weakness in our stance. We have been taken advantage of because of our victim mentality. For instance, instead of standing on our own two feet and dealing directly with the EU, what did we do? We buckled in to threats and blackmail. Now that the talk of a common EEU currency is being floated, our government is trying to distance itself from it. It’s not so much about the currency itself, but more about the loss of national identity and pride. Little by little, we are being led down a path towards multiculturalism in the new CCCP regional world order. Just like CCCP 1.0, CCCP 2.0 is built on the notion of creating a master society void of any vestiges of native culture, identity and pride. Our Russophile friends are blindly glorifying and praising to further accelerate the pace. Don’t be surprised when the talk of a common passport, a common foreign policy and a common military is introduced shortly. What we are witnessing is the same policy that destroyed our culture and nation under communism. Its label and methods might be different but be assured the outcome will be the same.
Well as someone who lived half of his life in USSR and the other half in the west, i can say that if USSR was back to Armenia with some common sense economic freedoms like China made, I would be happy to return back. What is this hypnotized belief about the west being some treasure chest paradise. It is becoming a zombyland.
Any Armenian that is anti-Russia or anti-Russia is either an imbecile or a traitor to Armenia.
Putin is doing PR to appease the public opinion of Armenia. Let’s not jump in ecstasy. I don’t trust him.
Hratch – I cannot believe how misguided you are.
Do you believe every rubbish you read? Yes, it is
people like who do not want to accept the fact that
Armenia cannot survive on its own in that region and
try to say things that hurt the nation more than
help them.
Random Armenian –
The helicopter was shot down by a weapon that anyone ‘can’ obtain even ISIS clowns have this weapon in there arsenal. Jews have been Arming Azerbaijan so has other countries. Our Big Brother is arming Azerbaijan because 1. It makes money 2. It keeps Azeri’s happy 3. It does not let Azeris use anything major against Armenia or Karabakh.
I need you Armenians to think very hard and ask yourself one simple question……….””IF Russians didn’t want Armenians to have Artsakh would Armenians get what was originally theres?????????” Simple answer is NO. No matter how strong/brave our Warriors were if Russia went against Armenians you would never have Artsakh back.
Now……….We Armenians are supplied with ‘Iskander-M’ missle system you might want to check how much this cost and you might want to check that countries that are 30 times bigger than Armenia don’t even have such weapons.
We have 90 million turks……surrounding us…..if you believe Armenia can be ‘totally’ independent you are VERYYYYYYYY wrong and just have no idea about what Armenia faces should Russia not support us the way it does now.
Armenians need to………..Stop Anti-Russian crap, Make Armenia-Russia relations better. NATO doesn’t care about Armenia neither does US and they never will. If you want to have a country named Armenia, we need Russia like air and water.
Please…………….think for a moment….can a country that is landlocked with 3 million population survive without Russia while being surrounded by wolves? Who do we think we Armenians are? think smart this is the year 2015……..where bigger countries are getting ripped apart. i.e Syria,iraq,libya all these are getting destroyed and we have blue skies over Armenia because Russia is supporting us
Gev,
I have stated many times that I understand the situation Armenia is in and her reliance on Russia militarily.
What I object to is glorifying Russia as a savior that has Armenia at heart and mind. They give us weapons and we automatically assume they are on our side and sympathetic to us.
Why has Russia not recognized Arstakh yet? Why hasn’t Armenia for that matter? Why are we waiting for? Please answer. Why have we not recognized Artsakh?
The way I see it, Artsakh is a good stick for Russia to stick in Azerbaijan’s eye to get something out of it. Playing two neighboring countries against each other is an age old trick played by major countries.
Not only are we surrounded by countries that are antagonistic to us, but they have more to offer Russia than Armenia. That’s a bargaining chip that is in their favor.
Russia recognizing the Armenian Genocide is a good way for them to tell Turkey, they mean business.
My view is that never assume a major power will always be 100% behind you, and that includes Russia.
I looked into the Iskander system. The Iskander-M systems (non-export version) deployed in Armenia are under Russian control, not Armenian. I could not find any clear sources on which version of Iskander Armenia has purchased for her own use. If you have sources on this, let me know. I’ve been following what sort of military hardware Russia has been selling to whom.
Also the system is fairly new. It was put into service in 2006 so there haven’t been many customers yet.
I found the following on the Iskander-M and Armenia:
http://www.armyrecognition.com/january_2014_global_defense_security_news_industry/army_of_armenia_to_be_equipped_soon_with_the_russian-made_iskander-m_tactical_missile_3101143.html
If accurate, it does look like Armenia will have Iskander-M in addition to the ones Russia deployed in Armenia.
All those that are saying ‘Russia does little for Armenians or does nothing’ Please read this from an interview, this shows you Russia will never sit idle should it’s little brother need them.
In an interview with the Russian Defense Ministry’s newspaper late last month, Col. Andrey Ruzinsky, commander of the 102nd Military Base at Gyumri in Armenia affirmed Russia’s preparedness and intention to “join the armed conflict” against Azerbaijan if it “decides to restore jurisdiction over Nagorno-Karabakh by force.”
Nagorno-Karabakh graves: Putin is simultaneously threatening war and preaching peace (Photo: http://www.nkr.am)
Ruzinsky added that his officers had recently toured “areas of combat engagement” and plan to increase joint military exercises with Armenian forces in the coming year.
Russia will never betray Armenia, because most Armenians are loyal and the Russians know this from history.
Forget about U.S,Europe,Nato,United Nations……..these are all corrupt money hungry evil organisation’s/countries and wouldn’t even care if Armenians got murdered as evident from Hungary Fiasco and the very recent ‘Nuland’ comment about releasing azeri murderers.
The only reason why……U.S/EU/ETC want Armenia is not because they want Armenia for Armenia but rather just to cause damage to Russia/nuisance nothing else.
Yes and Russia is not corrupt at all. It’s a model of how to run a country and economy. You can believe that if you like.
President of the Russian Federation
The Kremlin Senate, Moscow
April 20, 2014
Your Excellency President Vladimir Putin
This is my second letter to your Excellency.
Please accept my sincere congratulations on the occasion of your repeated election to the president of the Russian Federation. This is the best choice that Russian Federation citizens have made by voting for prosperity and security of the Russian Federation, for allied Armenia and for the whole world at large.
My first letter I wrote to you in November 27, 2013 which was a few days before your historic visit to Armenia.
In that letter I provide you my plan – how to connect Armenia and Russia together, building Trans Caucasian Underground Railroad. That is the only way that we – political and military allies, can have common boarders and full scale economical relation, connecting Northern Ocean with Indian Ocean.
Your Excellency, April 24th is not just a day of sorrow for Armenians, but also for other nations remembering the 99 years anniversary of Armenian Genocide, planned by International Zionism and executed by the Young Turk Government in Turkey 1915 which later became allies to Bolshevik Russia.
After one year it will be the 100th anniversary of the Armenian genocide…
After the genocide more than two million Armenians were killed and all other survived Armenians been exiled to the desert or migrate other countries. We Armenians lost 90% of our Fatherland, but on the other hand that evil force that triggers the First and Second World Wars – gain a land.
I’m not really sure how Armenia Diaspora and Armenian State Coordination Commission are planning to organize the upcoming 100 anniversary of the Armenian genocide, but as usual I have my own plans.
But before that let me introduce myself…
I, a grandson of surviving victims of the Armenian Genocide (1915-1918), was born on August 7, 1948 in Yerevan, the capital of Armenia. As a senior in high school I won first prize in the national mathematics Olympiad of Armenia in 1966. I then attended the Physics department at Yerevan State University from 1966-1971 and received my MS in Theoretical Physics. After graduating from Yerevan State University I attended a Theological Seminary from 1971-1973 at Etchmiadzin, Armenia and received Bachelor of Theology degree. Then I worked at different institutions as an engineer not related to physics. For seven years (1978-1985) I was imprisoned as a political prisoner in the USSR Gulag for fighting for the self-determination of Armenia. I have been in Barashevo-Mordovia (3 years), Chistopol-Tatarstan (1 year) and Aban-Krasnoyarsk Krai (2 years). I have Armenian citizenship and from 1988 till now I have been a resident of the United States. I have many unpublished articles in theoretical physics. I have four children – three sons and one daughter.
Your Excellency, the twentieth century starts with revolutionary ideas in physical science, especially in theoretical physics and that is why it is called annus mirabilis time. And also during the same time the International Zionism where trying to take over humanity and trigger multiple revolutions and world wars just as they are doing right now.
This is also a time when in 1905 prestige physics magazines like Annals of Physics (Annalen der Physik) started printing series of articles in theoretical physics. And from that submitted articles there vanished the name of the main author – Mileva Marić, and plagiarized others discoveries. Ten years later, in 1915, submitted articles by David Hilbert to Gottingen Academy were mutilated and also plagiarized as well.
Because of this in science starts relativity priority dispute and creates the dissident scientist movement.
Those evil forces who plagiarized ideas from German, French, Dutch, Italian, Scottish, Russian and merely all European scientists in favor of only one person and making him an idol in physics and man of the century, manufacturing him for some evil agenda.
And this dishonest Zionist person – whose portrait hangs in nearly every physics department around the world, including Russia, is the greatest shame of the scientific community. If somebody who would try to criticize either of Special theory of relativity or suggest alternative theories, then all mainstream scientific journals reject papers without review. This is true for Russian physics journals as well, such as JETP Letters and many others…
As I understand it, after Heisenberg’s quantum theory (1925) and Dirac’s relativistic quantum theory (1928) – theoretical physics came to a halt. Eighty five years have passed from those days and no progress has been made in theoretical physics at all. And in that existing long lasting vacuum in theoretical physics, opportunist “physicists” (whose ethnicity is not secret) are promoting artificial and false theories like “string theory”, “super string theory”, “K theory”, “big bang theory” and so on… which is leading Europe and the whole world into another dark age.
But there is always HOPE…
For the past 45 years I have been a dissident scientist (like Professor Logunov in Russia), trying to prove what is wrong with special or general theory of relativity, as we know it now and also creating many new theories and calling them “Alternative theory of relativity” or “New theory of relativity” and so on… But later on I remembered Socrates’s wise words “The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new.”
That’s why during the year 2012, when evil forces where preaching the end of the world, we declare the year 2012 as new miracle year and we creating “Armenian Theory of Relativity – One Dimensional Movement”. We register it in USA Copyright office and GB Copyright Witness office on the exact day of “the end of the world” – December 21, 2012 and we publish it as a book in June 2013 in Armenia.
100 years of inquisition in Physics is now over and Armenian revolution in science has begun!
Now we are working to finish “Armenian Theory of Relativity in Three Dimension” and much more…
With this letter is attached my first letter to you, in Armenian (2 pages), https://www.academia.edu/9153168/First_Letter_to_Vladimir_Putin, our original full article in Armenian (86 pages), https://ia600604.us.archive.org/11/items/arm_odm_book/arm_odm_book.pdf, short communication in English (4 pages), https://archive.org/details/ArmenianTheoryOfSpecialRelativityLetter, visual comparison Armenian and Lorentz relativistic formulas in English (11 pages), https://www.academia.edu/7418092/Armenian_Theory_of_Special_Relativity_Illustrated, our letter to all researchers of truth in English (1 page), http://www.armeniantheory.com/atfiles/arm_odm/pdf/letter_to_all_researchers_of_truth.pdf and our short biographies in English (2 pages), http://www.armeniantheory.com/atfiles/arm_odm/pdf/our_short_biographies.pdf. I am sorry to say that I don’t have any resources to translate our full article in English, in Russian or in German for broader readership.
Your Excellency, please excuse my courage to ask you for a favor.
And that favor, which I like to ask you, it is not to recognize Nagorno-Karabakh independence, which is under same formulation: “For some reason, things that Kosovo were permitted to do, Russians, Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars in Crimea are not allowed. Again, one wonders why.” Let me continue your logic and add my proposal: “Why Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh not allowed, why.” We done our part in UN and we vote for free will expression of nations for self-determination. Now Russians turn to do his part. But that is not which I am trying to ask you as favor to me.
My favor which I may ask you is to fix the shame in theoretical physics by presenting our article – “Armenian Theory of Relativity – One Dimensional Movement” to Nobel Committee for Physics for consideration to nominate Nobel Prize in Physics 2015 – 100 anniversary of Armenian genocide.
Your Excellency, this article and upcoming other articles is design to bring new renaissance in theoretical physics. This is the first step towards that goal. We believe that even one article can awaken humanity and enlighten the world once again with the whole sacred knowledge and lost wisdom of Universe.
This is truly historic time to enlighten the World with Armenian Theory of Relativity.
Two week ago I read article about Ukrainian crisis, where Israel’s defense minister, Moshe Ya’alon, preached that “This is a war of civilizations”. I agree with him that this truly is a war with the White race and Evil race, which has been going on for already thousand of years. Those evil forces are manipulating and pushing brother nations to fight against each other, just as the conflict we see today between two Slavonic nations of Russia and Ukraine.
Also one week ago I read this article where it stated that “I am now pretty much convinced that Vladimir Putin’s Russia is the last hope for the White race.” And same article ends with question “If Russia doesn’t make any stand against the International Jewry, I don’t know who will.”
I know also that the rise of white nations nationalism has gone from Western Europe to Eastern Europe, more exactly center of National Socialism right now in Russia, because of you your Excellency.
That is why I have big hope that you can help me to shape theoretical physics and make it a real science.
With great respect,
Robert Nazaryan
robert@armeniantheory.com
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https://www.academia.edu/6832951/Letter_to_His_Excellency_Vladimir_Putin
Robert Nazaryan,
You seem to not understand that science is independent of race and ethnicity and religion. There is no Jewish or Zionist or Armenian theories in science. You’re trying to introduce nationalism into science which makes no sense what so ever.
What you’re proposing simply boggles the mind.
http://armenpress.am/eng/news/797652/turkey-has-to-reconsider-what-it-has-done-wrong-armenia%E2%80%99s-fm.html
Edward Nalbandian: We would prefer Russia not to sell arms to Azerbaijan.
Bilateral trade between Russia and Turkey/Azerbaijan runs to the tune of tens-of-billions of dollars annually… Russia has been trying hard to lure Turkey away from NATO… Russia is doing its best to lure Azerbaijan within its political orbit… Russia recognize Turkey’s importance as a bridge between Europe and the Middle East… Russia sells large quantities of weaponry to Azerbaijan… Russia just recently signed a multi-billion dollar natural gas project with Turkey… Russia recognizes the importance of Azerbaijan’s as an energy provider… Russians know that there are well over one hundred million Turks/Turanians bordering Russia… Russians know well that are millions of pacified Turkic peoples living right within their homeland…
Just like the West, Russia has EVERY excuse one can imagine for pandering to Turks by not to recognizing the Armenian Genocide. Unlike the West, however, Russia always puts aside its political and financial interests to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide. Not only does Russia officially recognize the Armenian Genocide, EVERY high level official from the Russian Federation – including Putin, Medvedev, Ivanov and Lavrov – has visited the Armenian Genocide memorial.
So, as Russians prepare to commemorate our solemn centennial with us Armenians, Western pigs will once again shamelessly run to be with Turks –
Prince Charles and Prince Harry to attend Gallipoli service for Anzac Day: http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/07/prince-charles-and-prince-harry-to-attend-gallipoli-service-for-anzac-day
PS: West-leaning Armenians and anti-Russian Armenians are either dangerous imbeciles that need to be flogged in public or Western mercenaries that need to be put up in front of a firing squad.
“Just like the West, Russia has EVERY excuse one can imagine for pandering to Turks by not to recognizing the Armenian Genocide. Unlike the West, however, Russia always puts aside its political and financial interests to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide.”
How much political and financial interests did Russia lose by recognizing the AG? I think it’s pretty much zero. Russia is in a better position to resist Turkey in these areas because NATO countries risk losing Turkey, and Russia does not. Russia is also in the same region of interest as Turkey and can dominate more.
In other words it’s easier for Russia to recognize the Armenian Genocide.
Also, on a nationalistic level, I’m sure Russia is more than happy to rub the Armenian Genocide in Turkey’s face given Russo-Turkish history of wars and competing empires.
Edward Nalbandian is not very smart when he makes a statement like that, it shows thinking with sentiments and not with the intellect as should a real politician, which unfortunately Armenians lack more of.
FM Nalbandian is being honest. It may not be wise top say it openly but if he’s saying it openly, it must concern them enough.
I don’t expext to get an answer right now but Im dying to know if Putin and others went against Israel Would Armenia join them if asked this is coming from an Armenian Americans wondering that’s all don’t read anything else into this
Harutik,
“Unlike the West, however, Russia always puts aside its political and financial interests to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide. So, as Russians prepare to commemorate our solemn centennial with us Armenians, Western pigs will once again shamelessly run to be with Turks.” Well, for your own education, after Armenia, nineteen of the remaining twenty-one countries that recognize the Armenian Genocide happen to be western countries. That’s a hell of a lot more western countries that recognize the Armenian Genocide as opposed to eastern countries. Therefore, on April 24th, Russia will be joined by western countries such as France, Belgium, Canada, Germany, Italy, Holland, and Switzerland in commemorating the Armenian Genocide centennial in Yerevan.
Contrary to the extremely imbecilic belief that you and your fellow Russia admirers have in regard to Armenia’s mother being Russia (Mother Russia), the overwhelming majority of Armenians both in the homeland and diaspora certainly don’t feel that way. Exactly how has Russia been a mother to Armenia when it suddenly abandoned the remaining Armenian population of Western Armenia in the spring of 1917 after occupying it for over a year, which enabled the Turks to retake that region and exterminate those remaining Armenians? Exactly how has Russia been a mother when it illegally gave away the Eastern Armenian provinces of Artsakh, Nakhichevan, and Javakhk, along with Kars, Ardahan, Artvin, Ani, and Mount Ararat, which all happened shortly after Armenia’s entrance into the former Soviet Union? And exactly how has Russia been a mother after recently supplying Armenia’s mortal enemy (Azerbaijan) with four billion dollars worth of military weapons? All of this is certainly not the definition of being a mother; on the contrary, it’s the definition of Russia using and abusing little Armenia for its own profit.
Contrary to the false claims of you and your fellow Putin admirers, Russia is most certainly not committed to the preservation of Armenia’s statehood. Russia doesn’t even view Armenia as being an independent state. It views Armenia as being an extension of Russia. More precisely, it views Armenia as being its southern border which happens to be right next to the Middle East’s NATO headquarters (Turkey). That’s the real reason why Russia enthusiastically has five thousand troops in Armenia. Although it’s certainly true that the Russian military presence along the Turkish border is a luxury for Armenia, those Russian troops are there to protect Moscow’s interests and nothing more. And let’s also not forget how Putin is attempting to lure Armenians out of Armenia, and into Russia (Russia’s Armenian population of 2.5 million is just about equal to Armenia’s entire current population). After all, that makes a lot of sense for Putin, due to the reason that having fewer people in Armenia will enable Russia to have stronger control over it.
If by “western”, the Western European countries are meant and not the western hemisphere, then only nine of them–Belgium, Cyprus, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland–recognized the AG. The rest of the twenty-one are Latin American, East European, and Middle Eastern countries, and one is the Vatican.
“Exactly how has Russia suddenly abandoned the remaining Armenian population of Western Armenia in the spring of 1917 after occupying it for over a year, which enabled the Turks to retake that region and exterminate those remaining Armenians?”
Exactly because of two judeo-masonic “revolutions” in February and October of 1917.
“Exactly how has Russia illegally gave away the Eastern Armenian provinces of Artsakh, Nakhichevan, and Javakhk, along with Kars, Ardahan, Artvin, Ani, and Mount Ararat, which all happened shortly after Armenia’s entrance into the former Soviet Union?
Exactly because Artsakh and Nakhichevan were given to the newly-formed AzerBEYjan by the Caucasus Bureau of the Bolshevik party whose decision-making bodies consisted almost entirely of non-Russians. Kars, Ardahan, Artvin, Ani, and Mt. Ararat, while historically Armenian, were legally and administratively parts of the Kars Oblast of the Russian Empire, which the Empire ceded, along with the Baltic states and Ukraine–according to the 1918 Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. All these never happened “shortly after Armenia’s entrance into the former Soviet Union”. The Soviet Union was established in 1922.
“Exactly how has Russia recently supplying Armenia’s mortal enemy (Azerbaijan) with four billion dollars worth of military weapons?”
This has been heavily debated upon in another AW thread “Sleeping with Our Enemy: Russia Sells Weapons to Azerbaijan”.
“Russia doesn’t even view Armenia as being an independent state. It views Armenia as being an extension of Russia.”
If Armenia is an extension of Russia, than AzerBEYjan is an extension of Turkey and BP.
“And let’s also not forget how Putin is attempting to lure Armenians out of Armenia, and into Russia”.
And “beacon of democracy and human rights” the United States is not attempting to lure Armenians out of Armenia and to the US by massively raffling the green card lottery?
Yerevanian and others,
When we say the “West” we mean the “political West” and the political West today is represented by Anglo-American-Jewish countries. Nations like France and Germany collaborate with this West for various reasons. Germany, for instance, is still occupied by the political West. And France has been closely cooperating with them for economic and military reasons for one hundred years. France can not be trusted. Although all of our Russophobes blame Russians for Bolshevik handover of Armenian lands to Turks, for some strange reason they never say anything about how France made a deal with Ataturk and turned over Armenian Cilicia to Turks in the middle of the night, abandoning Armenians and allowing the second genocide of Armenians in the region.
Also, we see the real face of France in the genocidal role it played in Algeria in the 1960s and the genocidal role it is currently playing in Syria. If France is giving Armenia lip service in recent years it’s because it’s been tasked to do so by NATO. Being that Armenian are politically ignorant, most Armenians do not know that during the collapse of the Soviet Union some twenty-five years ago major European nations were given big brother status over certain former Soviet republics: Germany got Georgia. Britain got Azerbaijan. France got Armenia.
Wake up Armenians!
PS: Politically, Armenians must be one of the dumbest peoples on earth.
John,
You failed to comprehend what I wrote in my previous comment. I did not say that those nineteen Armenian Genocide recognizing countries happened to be from only western Europe. What I said was that these 19 countries happen to be “western countries.” Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Lithuania, Holland, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Poland, Slovakia, Switzerland, Uruguay, Vatican City, Cyprus, Sweden, and Venezuela are all regarded as being part of the West. Since you didn’t know, the European countries, the Americas (North, Latin, and South), Oceania (Australia and New Zealand), the European Union member states, as well as NATO member states are all regarded as being part of the West.
In my previous comment, I wasn’t asking why Russia suddenly abandoned the remaining Armenian population of Western Armenia in the spring of 1917; I wasn’t asking why Russia illegally gave away all those Armenian lands; and I didn’t ask why Russia recently supplied Armenia’s mortal enemy (Azerbaijan) with four billion dollars worth of military weapons. I already knew the answers to these questions and much better than you too. What I specifically asked Harutik and his fellow Russia admirers is how exactly can Russia be a mother to Armenia (Mother Russia) after doing all those wrongful and harmful things against this little country.
By the way, the giving away of the Eastern Armenian provinces of Artsakh, Nakhichevan, and Javakhk, as well as Kars, Ardahan, Artvin, Ani, and Mount Ararat had absolutely nothing to do with the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk from 1918. These Armenian lands were illegally given away by Soviet Russia after Armenia was forced into joining it in December, 1920. The decision to attach Nakhichevan and Artsakh to Azerbaijan took place in March of 1921, in the Treaty of Moscow between Soviet Russia and the Turkish government. This decision would later be reaffirmed in October of 1921, in the Treaty of Kars which also gave away Javakhk to Georgia as well as Ardahan, Artvin, Ani, and Mount Ararat to Turkey.
“Azerbaijan is an extension of Turkey.” Culturally speaking, yes it is an extension. However, in terms of individual states, Turkey does not control Azerbaijan in any particular way. Aren’t you noticing how Sultan Aliyev always does as he wishes. He totally gets his way with the leadership of Turkey.
Unlike Russia, the United States has absolutely no reason to create a program that attempts to lure Armenians out of Armenia, and into America. The Armenian population of America is only six to seven hundred thousand, as opposed to Russia’s Armenian population of 2.5 million. That’s a huge difference!
Norserunt, the Armenian Genocide and Ataturk have absolutely nothing to do with Armenian Cilicia. Since you did not already know, Armenian Cilicia existed between 1080-1375. That’s over five hundred years before the time of the Armenian Genocide and Ataturk.
“If France is giving Armenia lip service (Armenian Genocide recognition) in recent years, it’s because it’s been tasked to do so by NATO.” This kind of statement just shows how extremely deficient your knowledge is in the field of politics just like the rest of your uneducated, ignorant Russia-worshipping fanatics. Why would NATO want France to recognize the Armenian Genocide? To begin with, NATO’S leader (United States) doesn’t even officially recognize the Armenian Genocide. Furthermore, Turkey happens to be the center of NATO’s Middle East headquarters.
You should spend some time reading about world politics, Armenian Cilicia, and the Armenian Genocide instead of spending all that time reading those absurdities on your favorite Russian blog sites.
No, Yerevanian, I think I perfectly comprehended what you wrote in your comment. Because you failed to specify what you meant by “western” countries, I specifically inquired (didn’t I): “If by ‘western’ the Western European countries are meant and not the western hemisphere, then only nine of them recognized the AG”. But thanks for illuminating me that the European countries and the Americas are regarded as being part of the West. This kindergarten-level revelation was very, you know, informative.
I believe it should have been self-explanatory to a profound thinker like you that, without reference to “Mother Russia” or other alias, I tried to explain in one sentence that in 1917 Russia was preoccupied with her own domestic upheavals, ones that had changed the whole course of her history. Need I say more or you’ll again bring up the “Mother” stuff?
You apparently misread my other sentence, in which I said that Kars was ceded to the Turks according to the 1918 Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. The mentioning isArtsakh and Nakhichevan are found in a different sentence which states that these historically Armenian regions were given to the newly-cooked AzerBEYjan by the Caucasus Bureau of the Bolshevik party, whose decision-making bodies consisted almost entirely of non-Russians. Do you see that?
AzerBEYjan is an extension of Turkey — allochthonously, ethnically, culturally, behaviorally and ideologically, diplomatically, and, yes, politically. Many of AzerBEYjan’s foreign policy activities are being coordinated by Turkey. And AzerBEYjan for sure is a BP extension. Whenever BP orders the dynastic sultan Aliyev to hop along, he hops.
Russia has not created a specific program that attempts to “lure Armenians out of Armenia”. Russia’s federal program is intended for her compatriots abroad. Check your sources. Similarly, US green card lottery aims at luring people of other nationalities, including the Armenians, into the US. There is no such thing as “Armenian population of America”, which indicates that you may not Armenian after all. If you refer to Armenian-Americans, some sources estimate their number being up to 1.5 million and not six to seven hundred thousand. Russian-Armenians’ greater number is not the consequence of a sinister Russian plot to “lure Armenians out of Armenia”, but the fact that it just so historically happened that Armenians lived in the Soviet Union and many stayed in or emigrated to Russia after the USSR’s demise.
Hope this helps.
John,
You seem to be irritated by me raising the question to your Russia-worshipping comrades as to why they refer to Armenia’s mother as being Russia (Mother Russia)? And by persistently giving silly excuses in an attempt to minimize the wrongdoings that Russia has done to Armenia, indicates that you might not be Armenian after all.
In regard to your false claim that Kars was ceded to the Turks according to the 1918 Brest-Litovsk Treaty, by the time this particular treaty (signed between Germany and Russia in 1918) was to go into effect, the first world war was already over with Germany and the Ottoman Empire being the losers. Therefore, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk did not go into effect and Russia was therefore no longer forced to cede any of its occupied Armenian territories (including Kars) to the Turks. After all this time, you still failed to read about the Treaty of Kars from October, 1921.
“Many of Azerbaijan’s foreign policy activities are being coordinated by Turkey.” Where did you get all this false information from? Anyway, for your own information, as a result of all the enormous wealth that Sultan Aliyev possesses from his oil, how could his foreign policy activities possibly be coordinated by Turkey? As a matter of fact, some of Turkey’s foreign policy activities have been coordinated by Azerbaijan. This was certainly the case in the 2009 Armenia-Turkey protocols in which Aliyev threatened to enormously increase the price of his gas exports to Turkey if it dared to ratify those protocols. And as a result, Turkey obeyed his command and did not ratify those protocols.
Russia has most certainly created a program that attempts to lure Armenians out of Armenia, and into Russia. This explains the reason why the majority of Armenians leaving Armenia today, end up relocating to Russia. In terms of the Armenian population of America, it is widely known that California which contains the largest Armenian population of any U.S. state (around 320,000), represents around half of the entire population of Armenians within the United States. This therefore translates to a population of six to seven hundred thousand Armenians in the United States.
Wrong.
I become irritated when I see distortion of facts. Those who know my posts from other threads can testify to this.
If you were less zealous and more careful reading other posters’ comments, you’d notice that I don’t give excuses, which you call silly, in an attempt to minimize the “wrongdoings that Russia has done to Armenia”. I don’t make such an attempt, to begin with. I try to invite the readers to pause and think that by no means everything in politics and history is black or white. For instance, in this very sentence of yours: “the wrongdoings that Russia has done to Armenia”. Russia’s recent history was one of the most turbulent. Therefore, I invite you and your likeminded buddies to distinguish between “Russia” and “The Kievan Rus’”, between “Russia” and ”“Tsarist Russia”, between “Russia” and “Bolshevik Russia”, between “Russia” and “Soviet Russia”, between “Russia and “The Russian Federation”. You cannot give a national politics or a national history a coat of either black or white paint, because political or historical processes can be very intermingling, often dissonant.
What do you mean my “false claim that Kars was ceded to the Turks according to the 1918 Brest-Litovsk Treaty”? Are you kidding me?
Paragraph 3 of Article IV of the Brest-Litovsk Treaty:
“The districts of Ardahan, Kars, and Batum will likewise and without delay be cleared of Russian troops. Russia will not interfere in the reorganization of the national and international relations of these districts, but leave it to the population of these districts to carry out this reorganization in agreement with the neighboring States, especially with the Ottoman Empire.”
And, please, spare us from the Treaty of Kars, which in and of itself is one grand Turkish farce and has no validity since it’s been signed by representatives of Mustafa Kemal’s revolutionary forces, who, according to the Constitution of the Ottoman Empire, had no legal authority whatsoever to sign international treaties.
I will only continue this debate if you show all of us here that Russia has most certainly (wow!) created a program that attempts to lure Armenians out of Armenia, and into Russia. If you fail to show us that Russian official immigration program is called “The Program to Lure Armenians Out of Armenia and Into Russia” or has anything that mentions “Armenia” in its title, I will call your statement silly. Fair?
And, no, Armenian-Americans (you make the same mistake again: not Armenians, but Armenian-Americans) number more than six hundred thousand. I’ll try to get figures from official sources so I’m not accused of making “silly excuses”.
John,
“Russia’s recent history was one of the most turbulent.” Well, there you go again in an attempt to minimize Russia’s wrongdoings against Armenia. As a matter of fact, that’s the equivalent of someone attempting to minimize the Armenian Genocide atrocities committed by the Turks by giving the excuse that the Ottoman Empire happened to be going thru very turbulent times in 1915.
When did I ever attempt to paint Russia’s history in black, white, or any other color for that matter? Where do you come up with all this nonsense? The only thing I’ve ever painted in my life up to now, was a painting of the Armenian flag which I painted in my art class, back in high school. What does any of this have to do with Russia’s history? And, there’s absolutely nothing you can do to change the fact that today’s Russia is the successor state of the former Soviet Union which happened to be the successor state of the former Russian Empire.
On the subject of the 1918 Brest-Litovsk Treaty, I was already aware of that particular paragraph and article which refers to Ardahan, Kars, and Batum being ceded by Russia to the Ottoman Empire. But, as I explained to you earlier, this particular treaty obviously did not go into effect as a result of the first world war ending with the defeat of Germany and the Ottoman Empire shortly after it was signed.
“The Treaty of Kars is one grand Turkish farce and has no validity since it’s been signed by representatives of Mustafa Kemal’s revolutionary forces who according to the Constitution of the Ottoman Empire, had no legal authority whatsoever to sign international treaties.” Yes, it’s certainly true that the Treaty of Kars was illegal and that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and his grand national assembly had no legal authority to sign international treaties. However, as usual, you excluded Russia from all of this, and you even attempt to falsely establish that it was Turkey who created this treaty. On the contrary, it was Soviet Russia’s leader, Stalin, who created this illegal treaty in a desperate effort to persuade Turkey to become part of Soviet Russia.
In regard to Russia’s program of attempting to lure Armenians out of Armenia and into Russia, it’s very simple to figure out. First of all, any citizen of Armenia, without a visa, can easily go to Russia whenever he or she wishes. In addition, the Russian government frequently sends people to Armenia to target those living in poverty and to persuade them to relocate to Russia with a guaranteed job, as well as other benefits. For any person living in poverty in Armenia, this would definitely sound like an attractive deal. Even for those in Armenia who live a little bit above the poverty level, it would also sound like an attractive deal.
For your own education, there’s more than one way to refer to the population of those particular inhabitants of the United States who happen to be of Armenian descent. One can either say the Armenian population of the United States, or the Armenian-American population.
Wrong again.
What does the phrase “Russia’s recent history was one of the most turbulent” have to do with “an attempt to minimize Russia’s wrongdoings against Armenia”? Dearest, you asked: “Exactly how has Russia abandoned […] Western Armenia in the spring of 1917 […]?” I cared to answer: Because of two major domestic turbulent upheavals in 1917 that changed the whole course of the Russian history. Even in the scariest nightmare one cannot compare the actions of a third party, Russia, which happened to be at war with the Ottoman Empire, with the premeditated, centrally-planned actions of the Turks — the immediate perpetrators of the genocide of their Armenian co-citizens. Besides, if the Ottoman Empire was going through “turbulent times” in 1915 (definitely not caused by the Armenians, but as a result of the Turks’ own stupid bombardment of Russia’s Black Sea installations and entering the war against Russia), then they should have, in a typical Turkish manner, annihilated all other Ottoman minorities: the Balkan nations, the Greeks, even the Turks’ fellow-Muslim Arabs. But they chose to annihilate the Armenians only. Why? Shouldn’t their going through “turbulent times” have brought destruction on every ethnic or religious minority of the empire?
I put painting in black or white in a figurative sense, of course. I’m sorry, Yerevanian, but you’re not showing the signs of an Armenian mentality.
You further asked: “Exactly how has Russia […] illegally gave away […] Kars, Ardahan, Artvin, Ani, and Mt Ararat, which all happened shortly after Armenia’s entrance into the former Soviet Union?”
I answered that, first of all, it took place NOT shortly after Armenia’s entrance into the Soviet Union, but before, in 1918, based on the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, with Kars–a historical Armenian province–being legally and administratively an Oblast of the former Russian Empire. Therefore, it was completely legal. The Treaty was signed on March 3, 1918 and already on April 25 Turks captured Kars, then, in October, they withdrew under the Mudros Armistice, and then in October of 1920 they re-captured it. The ones who were defending Kars after Russia ceded the province under Brest-Litovsk were mostly Armenian troops. Russians were gone. What are you telling me?!
About the Treaty of Kars. What do you mean: “As usual, you excluded Russia from all of this, and you even attempt to falsely establish that it was Turkey who created this treaty”? As usual?! How many times in the recent years have you seen my comments on the issue? You said: “You failed to read about the Treaty of Kars from October, 1921” in the context of Armenian territories occupied by the Turks. I answered: It was a Turkish farce. Of course, it was Turkey, as one of the major signatories to the Treaty, that created it. Any doubts? And since you only now asked about Russia, here’s my answer. Likewise, because the treaty was signed in October 1921, Bolshevik Russia’s signature has no validity either, because Bolshevik Russia, as an unrecognized entity (Soviet Union was established only in 1922) had no legal authority to sign international treaties. I hope in your warped understanding this won’t sound as if I’m making an “attempt to minimize Russia’s wrongdoings against Armenia”.
And don’t give us this “it’s very simple to figure out” stuff with regard to Russia’s State Program for Assisting Compatriots Residing Abroad in Their Voluntary Resettlement in the Russian Federation. This is how the program officially called. As such, it is NOT aimed at luring the Armenians out of Armenia and into Russia. Your argument, therefore, as I promised to call it, is silly. With the same token such sick “Armenia-centered” intentions can be traced in the US green card lottery or Canadian immigration programs.
Go educate whoever you so wish, but don’t say that inhabitants of the US who happen to be of Armenian descent are called “the Armenian population of the United States”. Maybe in Baku they’re called so. In this country most of us are accustomed to an ethnonym “Armenian-Americans”.
Wrong again John! The turbulent times that the Ottoman Empire was going thru, was not entirely due to Russia. It actually started before they went to war with Russia. More precisely, their turbulent times began with their big defeat in the 1912-1913 Balkan Wars in which they lost a massive amount of territory (85 percent of their European territory). And, contrary to your silly statement, it wasn’t only the Armenians whom the Ottoman Turks chose to annihilate. They also chose to annihilate the Ottoman Empire’s Greek and Assyrian populations as well.
Once again, I never asked you how Russia abandoned Western Armenia in the spring of 1917, nor did I ask you how Russia illegally gave away all those Armenian territories. I already knew those answers, as opposed to you who continues to deliver the same silly explanation. Going back to the signed 1918 Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the Russians were ordered to cede Ardahan, Kars, and Batum to the Ottoman Turks. However, shortly after its signing, the war ended and it obviously did not go into effect. Therefore, the Russians were no longer forced to cede any of their Armenian territories to the Turks. On the other hand, the Turks certainly did not care whether the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk happened to be in effect or not. By November of 1920, they had captured those Armenian territories along with the city of Alexandropol (Gyumri), which would force the independent Republic of Armenia to become part of Soviet Russia in order to escape complete destruction from the Turks. Upon joining Soviet Russia, all of those Armenian territories along with Alexandropol were back under Russian control. However, with the exception of Alexandropol, all of those other Armenian territories which had previously been under Turkish occupation (Kars, Ardahan, Artvin, Ani, Mount Ararat) were given back to the Turks under the illegal 1921 Treaty of Kars which also included the giving away of the Eastern Armenian provinces of Javakhk, Nakhichevan, and Artsakh. This, of course, was all done in an unsuccessful attempt by Soviet Russia to persuade the Turks to join them. By persistently trying to falsely establish that Soviet Russia did not create this treaty, again shows that you have the mentality of a Russian nationalist extremist who’s desperate to minimize the wrongdoings of Russia.
Although you’re pretending to regard my explanation on how Russia is attempting to lure Armenians out of Armenia and into Russia as being silly, you did actually say in your earlier comment from March 18th that you would only continue this debate if it was shown to you that this attempt by Russia is for certain. And since you wish to continue this debate, this obviously shows that you’re convinced by my explanation on that particular matter. In addition, numerous Armenians from Moscow have informed me on this particular program by Russia which targets the citizens of Armenia.
It’s rather sickening how you’re attempting to again accuse the United States of following Russia’s scheme in luring Armenians out of Armenia. Russia’s Armenian population (2.5 million) is over four times larger than the next country with the largest Armenian population which happens to be the United States (almost 600,000). Furthermore, there are more Armenians who depart Armenia and relocate to Russia as opposed to those who relocate to all of the other countries combined. Canada? Now you’re accusing Canada of doing the same thing as Russia? Well, for your own education, there are only 50,000-55,000 Armenians in all of Canada. Exactly what sort of program could they possibly have in luring Armenians out of Armenia and into Canada? By the way, if you’re interested, I have the Armenian population statistics for California and many of its cities, as well as the other U.S. states and cities (I’ve done a great deal of research on this too).
I’m noticing that you’re deeply irritated when I say, “the Armenian population of the United States.” Well, this by itself shows that you have animosity towards the Armenians here in the United States. And since you’re so interested in how Armenians are referred to in Baku, you can always hop aboard a plane and fly over there to find out.
John,
As I mentioned in my earlier comment (March 24, 2015 at 6:26 am), I’m eager to reveal the results of my research in regard to the Armenian population of the United States. However, before I get to that, I need to inform you that in terms of the Armenian population of the United States, the U.S. census does not have Armenian listed on its list of ethnicities to choose from. Therefore, there’s no kind of an official figure for the number of Armenians within the United States. The only way to come up with an adequate figure for this, is to conduct a great deal of research on this topic which I’ve done with the assistance of other people.
To begin with, it’s well known by now within the Armenian-American community that California contains the largest Armenian population of any U.S. state. And, according to my research, the figure for California is 300,000 Armenians. The city in California with the greatest number of Armenians, of course, is Glendale with almost 100,000. The number 2 city in California is Los Angeles with around 65,000 Armenians (40,000 in Hollywood; 10,000 in North Hollywood; and 15,000 in the rest of the city). After that, there are close to 15,000 Armenians in the city of Burbank; around 10,000 Armenians in Pasadena; and another 40,000 Armenians in the rest of the L.A. metropolitan area. That comes out to a total of 230,000 Armenians in the L.A. metro area. After that, you’ve got around 15,000 Armenians in Orange County; around 5,000 Armenians in the San Diego area; around 30,000 Armenians in Fresno; around 15,000 Armenians in the Bay Area; and another 5,000 Armenians in the rest of California. This comes out to a grand total of around 300,000 Armenians in the state of California. According to my research, the number 2 state with the largest Armenian population is Massachusetts with around 75,000 Armenians (60,000 in the Boston metropolitan area). The number 3 state is New York with around 45,000 Armenians (35,000 in New York City). The number 4 state is New Jersey with around 25,000 Armenians. After that, there are around 10,000 Armenians in Michigan; 10,000 Armenians in Illinois; 10,000 Armenians in Pennsylvania; 10,000 Armenians in Texas; 5,000 Armenians in Florida; 5,000 Armenians in Rhode Island; 5,000 Armenians in Ohio; and 5,000 Armenians in Arizona. As for the remaining 38 states, you have numerous states with around 2-3 thousand Armenians, as well as other states with less than 1,000 Armenians, such as: Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Iowa, Delaware, Hawaii, New Mexico, Utah. So therefore, if we add up all these figures, the Armenian population of the United States comes out to no more than 577,000. It seems like a rather low number; however, outside the states of California, Massachusetts, New York, and New Jersey, there just aren’t many Armenians in the remaining states of the U.S.
Actually, Germany’s recognition is an arguable point, because the term “genocide” was missing in the 2005 Bundestag resolution.
I know it’s hard for some Armenians to understand this but Armenia can never be fully independent so stop spreading BS around. Very ‘few’ countries in the world are truly Independent.
Everyone dreams about a bigger Armenia, getting back Western Armenia….why do you need western Armenia? If you got it back tomorrow what exactly are you going to do that you can’t do in Current Armenia/Artsakh?
Our diaspora has dreams……..those dreams can cost us our tiny country and another ‘genocide’. We have a diaspora which collects 15m in a yearly telethon……..that is equivalent to $1 per Armenian in the diaspora this is a disgrace.
Armenians who support the WEST are traitors. West is EVIL. Even if you don’t like Russia/Russians just stay ‘neutral’ and don’t bother saying anything about how Europe and the west is ‘armenia’s’ saviour that mentality will cost us our tiny country.
Too much emotion with irrational comments on both sides of the issue, with unproven and unfounded “assumptions/accusations” thrown around by both sides.
The reality is that any person, whether pro Russia, anti Russia, pro West or anti West is entitled to his/her opinion, but should not make personal degrading attacks on those who do not agree with him.
We have different opinions and convictions. We can express our opinions, but at the end of the day, it is the people who live in Armenia, the Government and Parliament of Armenia who have the power and the vote to decide who to sign treaties and agreements with,
who they consider friends, non-friends and enemies. We in the Diaspora can use any means available to us to influence the thinking or the vote, but at the end of the day, we have to accept the ultimate decision is theirs. Admittedly, we always lack full information and facts .
Finally, in another comment I had posted, I said that as Russia is the co-chair of the Minsk group, we should expect Russia to be more active and exert more influence in the resolution of the conflict. They cannot go along and assuage the positions taken by the US and the other members of the Group (who are no friends of Armenia).
Finally, the primary reason I strongly feel that Russia should play a stronger role is because it was the USSR that created and caused the NKR conflict.
It was Joseph Stalin, who on July 7 1923, to punish the Armenians and placate Turkey to join the Soviet Union, established the Nagarno Karabakh Autonomous Oblast within Azerbaijan. Stalin was a maniac.
Russia should show moral courage and integrity that what Stalin did was wrong and should be reversed. Russia is in position to correct the injustice and totally vengeful act committed by Stalin. Russia can do that, and should do it.
Vart Adjemian
Vart, it was shameful Treaty of Moscow by Lenin, who gave away Armenian land to Turkey and Azerbaijan followed by treaty of Kars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Moscow_(1921)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Kars
Vart, I know this might be over your head but there is a thing called realpolitik and geostrategic considerations. It may be new to you but nations have been pursuing it since the beginning of time. Realize that it took a big, wealthy, nuclear power like Russia nearly twenty years to correct the mistakes of South Ossetia and Abkhazia – and even more to correct the mistakes of Crimea. If we want Russians to correct the mistakes pertaining to Armenia, the Armenian nation as a whole needs to then FULLY embrace Russia and Armenians must place ALL our lobbying efforts inside Moscow. If we Armenians are unwilling or unable to do this, then we have no right to complain about why doesn’t Russia correct the wrongs done to us.
PS: Armenians, before you engage in discussions you know nothing about I ask you to please educate yourselves about the world you live in.
Harutik,
I don’t know who you are and I really do not care.
Nothing is over my head.
I shall not dignify your insult with a response.
Vart Adjemian
Well said Harutik LOL
I said the following in the other heated thread, might as well say it here as well:
This topic has been discussed ad nauseum. At least the intelligent ones amongst us can safely conclude that Russian arms sales to Baku is not directed against Armenia because for every weapons system Russia ‘sells’ to Baku it ‘gives’ Armenia a weapons system that can counter it on the battlefield. At the end of the day the big bad Russian Bear is Armenia’s one and only ally, and thank God for that. Without Russia, all of the south Caucasus will be overrun by Turks and Muslims. The two centuries old friendship between Russians and Armenians have passed the test of time. It’s time we start discussing something else.
Thank you.
“At least the intelligent ones amongst us can safely conclude that Russian arms sales to Baku is not directed against Armenia because for every weapons system Russia ‘sells’ to Baku it ‘gives’ Armenia a weapons system that can counter it on the battlefield.”
Well they are directed at Armenia, by those who want to kill Armenians.
And how do we know for sure that Armenia and Azerbaijan are evenly matched? We on the outside do not have enough information about how much weaponry is being given to Armenia.
why is that armenians are so delusional especially the Diaspora !!
can you armenians here trust? putin the russion that only cares about russion interest and maintaining there bases in armenia !! why do armenians trust the russions wasn’t it the soviets that conned the armenians into promises of rewards if they helped with the invasion of the turkic lands only to abandon there aims and toss the trusting armenians aside like a dirty rag!! armenians gave unconditional support to the russions back then but Russians left them and evan when armenians migrated to russia nobody cared about them ,this is what Russian brothers do to there loyal followers
and the delusional armenians trust russians !! what makes you think that history will never repeat itself !! russions supplying the azerbajanis with weapons , go kiss your russions since you trust them pfffffffffft
http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/26908109.html
This is what Pres Sarkissian said:
““The fact that Russia sells weapons to Azerbaijan for various reasons worries us,” Sarkisian told an international media forum held in Yerevan.
“The problem here is not the quality of the sold weapons,” he said during a question-and-answer session that followed his speech at the gathering. “The problem is that the young Armenian man deployed on our border [with Azerbaijan] or the [Nagorno-Karabakh] Line of Contact realizes that they are trying to kill him with Russian weapons. This is the gravest thing.””
Why is the president publicly complaining about arms sales to Azerbaijan by Russia?
Same link.
“Official Yerevan was until then careful not to publicly criticize the Russian arms supplies to its arch-foe. Some Armenian officials claimed that they are offset by Russian military assistance to Armenia.”
This is what Pres Sarkissian also said or quoted as saying:
“Sarkisian similarly praised this and other forms of Russian aid provided to his country since independence. He went on to assert that Azerbaijan remains unable to ‘solve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict by military means’.”
Why is the president publicly praising the military assistance to Armenia by Russia?
john,
Because Russia is helping Armenia and then also selling weapons to Azerbaijan.
He also has to be diplomatic when he speaks in public about Russia.
But Sarkissian did say those weapons sales to Azerbaijan does worry them and Nalbandian said the other day that they would prefer if Russia didn’t do this. It’s significant that the Armenian leadership is saying these in public. Why did they say it?
Because Russia sold weapons to Azerbaijan but is helping Armenia militarily and with other forms of aid. Sarkissian did say those weapons sales worried them. He has to be diplomatic when he speaks in public. Therefore, he couldn’t say that they beam with happiness about the sales.
http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/26911770.html
Here’s another article where the Russian arms sales to Azerbaijan appears to worry the Armenian leadership.
But then again I suppose Russia selling billions of dollars of weapons to Azerbaijan is not an issue or nothing to worry about. Please tell that to those living in Armenia and the soldiers serving on the borders and lines of contact.
john, your whataboutism[1] (repeating Random Armenian’s valid points and twisting them) is quickly turning into intellectual laziness. Random makes an excellent point. Why is Serzh saying he is worried if he should not be worried? Your reply (“He has to be diplomatic”) makes no sense. If he had no reason to worry, as you and others of the pro-Russia team argue, he would tell the public that they should not worry. If all those arguments by your side were valid (you know, “Azerbaijan would buy those weapons elsewhere,” “Armenia is better off with Azeris having Russian weapons,” “Russia can remote-control these weapons”), he would make those arguments to calm the public’s worries. Yet he does not, most likely realizing that the public would regard those “arguments” for what they really are: lame excuses on behalf of Russia.
FOOTNOTES:
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
“Sarkissian did say those weapons sales worried them. He has to be diplomatic when he speaks in public. Therefore, he couldn’t say that they beam with happiness about the sales.”
So if he’s being diplomatic, and we agree he’s being diplomatic in his language, then it could mean he’s more worried than he’s letting on.
[So if he’s being diplomatic, and we agree he’s being diplomatic in his language, then it could mean he’s more worried than he’s letting on.]
Or, conversely, since we agree he’s being diplomatic in his language, he could let on more for the public knowing that the issue concerns the plain folk, while being, actually, less worried.
If he’s trying to ease the public’s worry, then I think he’s going about it the wrong way, by fanning the concerns and worry even more.
Or, maybe, not saying anything or wholeheartedly welcoming Russia’s sales would fan even greater public concern and worry?
Thank you Mr. Putin, you have set an example for other leaders in the area to follow and show their support to the Armenian cause.
And how exactly is Mr. Putin supporting the Armenian Cause when he persistently forces his rule upon the Republic of Armenia? How exactly is Mr. Putin supporting the Armenian Cause by selling four billion dollars worth of military weapons to Armenia’s mortal enemy (Azerbaijan)? All of this is certainly not the definition of supporting the Armenian Cause; this is the definition of Mr. Putin using and abusing Armenia for Russia’s profit.