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1. As noted in the YouTube comments, this is not the “standard” Groong/Kroonk melody. One person commented that this is the Agna Groong with some personal twists added to the melody. I personally have never heard this version before.

2. *** Wow..!!! what a voice, frozen in time and powerfully touches the soul.

3. This is different. And an echo from the past. A direct

   That note she holds at 1:38 is amazing.

   “The recording stayed in print from its 1917 release until Columbia records deleted its Armenian-language recordings in 1931.”
   Ugh. Tragic. What’s the story of the Columbia’s Armenian recordings? How big a collection was it?

   “Her “Groung” (“Kroonk” in modern transliteration)” This is an West and East Armenian difference. But these days Eastern pronounciation is dominating more.

   • {I […] don’t have to make comments on every little thing that goes in the Armenian world.} ~Poster ‘Random Armenian’ voicing his opinion in August 17, 2015 at 12:58 pm in the thread “Khanasor, Lisbon Five Commemorated in Washington” in relation to the statement made by the OSCE US rep to the effect that ‘occupied’ territories around Artsakh must be returned to the Azeris.

     Random,

     Is the amazing note Zabelle Panosian holds at 1:38 bigger thing that goes in the Armenian world than the official position of the US government on the mode of settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict?

     NOTE: I don’t contest your freedom to post whatever you like or your choice for a thread. I’m only asking—since you chose to post here but kept deathly silence in the thread “US OSCE Co-Chair Is Sounding More Like Aliyev”—whether Zabelle Panosian’s breathtaking recordings made in 1916-1917 are, to you, bigger thing than an outcome of a modern armed conflict, which was suggested by one of the mediators and whose statement had preceded the recent killings of Armenian servicemen and shelling of Armenian boarder villages.

   • I’ll post on whatever I feel like john. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else here. Deal with it.

   • {I’ll post on whatever I feel like john. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else here. Deal with it.}

     I am. But the question that’s being dealt with is not related to anything that you have to ‘prove’ to me or anyone else. With no intention to contest the freedom you’re given by AW to post whatever you feel like, you’re only required by a fellow poster, as is customary in any intellectual debate, to clarify your position on one of your own statements.

     Clarify. Not prove.

     And not squash quibbles… Please.

     Shall I repeat the question or you’ll shift for yourself?

   • “Is the amazing note Zabelle Panosian holds at 1:38 bigger thing that goes in the Armenian world than the official position of the US government on the mode of settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict?”

     This is a dishonest and loaded question. Posting a comment on this article does not imply the NK conflict is not important. This “clarification” you’re asking of me is a way of asking me to prove myself. And I don’t, and nobody else does.

     You brought up the NK conflict here, not me. This is actually harassment because the comment I made here makes no mention of the NK conflict in any way.

     I will not post anything more under this article. I’m sure we’ll have more discourses under other articles relevant to the topic.

4. Random Armenian – “ugh tragic” is maybe too strong: deleted doesn’t mean “erased” like a computer file, it means removed from its catalogue. Though of course if there was no longer a series of specific Armenian recordings then no more new recordings could be added to that series. The WW2-period campaign in America to melt down old records for war materials is a genuine “ugh tragic” though, because many rare deleted recordings were lost forever, including perhaps some of these Columbia Records Armenian ones. And “john” – are worthless comments like this all you have to say? Please stop such trolling.

   • Why, Steve, you’ve come to the conclusion that my posts are worthless after having familiarized yourself with all of them? At least I post in an attempt to confront mind-tilting and disinformation on these pages. What do you do? Pop up here out of the blue and stigmatize other posters’ comments as worthless and their opinions as trolling? Is this all you can do? Weak, man…

   • Those recordings would be interesting to search for. Columbia must have them somewhere in some warehouse.

     Interestingly one of the executives of Columbia Records was Armenian: George Avakian.

   • I doubt they will still have them. What you will have will be some 1941 photos of record company bosses donating a truck-load of deleted original recordings to be melted down for their raw materials for the war effort.

   • Thanks for the added info on the melting of records for WWII. Hopefully these records resurface from private hands released digitally.

5. john – your comment to Random Armenian here was worthless because it was unconnected to the article content or to what RA had posted. You were trolling and nothing more. And I recall your trolling of posts made by Random Armenian in the past and their aim appears to be harassment. Aren’t there Armenian forums that exit solely for that purpose that you can use?

   • Steve:

     The one who is trolling is you.
     The one who is harassing is you.

     I have been reading ArmenianWeekly for years.
     I have also been reading comments by AW readers for years.
     I am quite familiar with [John]’s comments and also with the individual who posts under the handle [Random Armenian].

     Various people use the forum provided by ArmenianWeekly to post anti-Armenian comments.
     Some are openly so, some are very subtle and sophisticated.
     Kudos to ArmenianWeekly for giving those people the opportunity to expose themselves.

     As long as AW gives us the opportunity, we are going to counter those whose aim it is to spread disinformation about RoA and NKR.
     I am glad there are intelligent and knowledgeable people like [John] on our side who have the experience, the knowledge, and the presence of mind to recognize what some of these posters are trying to do, and care enough about our Armenian Nation to vigorously debunk the anti-Armenian disinformation being so spread.

     If you (generic you) can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
     And the fact that you (specific you) calls poster [John]’s debunking of trolls “trolling” and “harassing” means he is hitting the bullseye.

     Keep “trolling” and “harassing” [John].
     Godspeed.

6. A haunting, amazing voice. It’s heartbreaking to think that she recorded this song while other Armenians were still being slaughtered or dying of thirst and starvation in hellish places like Raqqa and Der Zor. Again today, hate and horror are being visited on these same places today. What has been learned in 100 years? It would appear that hate and intolerance is prevailing over love and peace.

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