The ARF-D Supreme Council of Armenia issued the following statement in response to President Serge Sarkisian’s recent decision to join the Russian-Led Customs Union.
The announcement made in Moscow this week of Armenia’s intention to join the Customs Union was as much a landmark move as it was a decision dictating great responsibility for the future of Armenia. It can be assumed that at some stage, considering geopolitical developments, Armenia was going to join the Customs Union initiated by its strategic ally, and be included in the process of the formation of the Eurasian Economic Union.
But the fact is that until the announcement in Moscow, the authorities of the Republic of Armenia had not passed on the necessary information to either the public or the political parties in the country.
Armenia’s membership into a Customs Union, with which Armenia does not share borders, was long regarded as impossible by the authorities; for years, they held negotiations with the European Union towards joining the Free Trade Zone and had reached the doorstep of the EU Association Agreement’s initialization.
We can assume that the main reason for this unexpected decision by the Armenian president while in Moscow was the security of Armenia and Mountainous Karabagh. This is a responsibility related to the foundations of our nation and state.
The president’s decision has raised numerous questions among the public. For us, any given economic integration must provide guarantees for the preservation and strengthening of the security of the Republics of Armenia and Mountainous Karabagh, and for the integration and development of their economies. The decision to join the Customs Union must also be based on these basic principles.
Armenia’s membership must not block its efforts towards the European vector, in particular our country’s socio-political integration with the EU. In addition, the decision made in Moscow cannot remove from the agenda the necessity of realizing systemic reforms in the country and of creating—jointly with various political players—a national, democratic, and fair state.
We demand that Armenia’s authorities inform the public of and include the political parties in similar decision-making processes before taking such fateful decisions about our country. Now that the process of joining the Customs Union is about to begin, it is necessary to respect this modus operanti.
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I do agree with the decision of Armenia’s President to join Customs Union.
Well what the president did I guess is not all that shocking, considering the behavior of Russia towards Armenia lately, the sale of weapons to Azerbaijan, the increase of gas prices, and whatever else we never heard about. We finally “got the message” and did the right thing I think. I am not in the camp that believes Russia is the best thing that happened to us, but at this point I think Armenia has a future with Russia before any other country, it is a matter of necessity, and national security.
I do not think it was a “volunatary” decision. This proves that Armenia is not an independent state when it comes to building its economy and strengthening its security. I do not think it will ever be as long as it continues to occupy Azerbaijan’s Nagorno-Karabakh.
{“… continues to occupy Azerbaijan’s Nagorno-Karabakh.”}.
Sorry, pal: it is not Azerbaijan’s Nagorno-Karabakh.
Never was.
And Republic of Armenia is not occupying anything: NKR’s indigenous people, Armenians, threw out AzeriTatarTurk invaders and occupiers of their historic lands, and declared independence.
NK has never been part of any country called ‘Azerbaijan’.
And there was no country called ‘Azerbaijan’ before 1918.
And the artificial state of ‘Azerbaijan’ continues occupying historic Armenian lands.
All lands up to Kur river have historically belonged to Armenia.
Azerbaijan is the one occupying Armenian lands in Lowlands Karabagh and Nakhichevan.
Nomadic Turkic tribes invaded from East and Central Asia, and ethnically cleansed, massacred, or forcibly Turkified indigenous, sedentary non-Turkic peoples.
Nomadic TatarTurk invaders still occupy the lands of other indigenous peoples of the area, such as Lezgin, Talysh, etc.
Who gave you nomads the right to claim anything from indigenous peoples, particularly Armenians ?
As to security:
Armenia hasn’t been this secure in centuries.
With independent Artsakh, under full control of native Armenians, the Armenian nation has more defensible strategic land depth than in centuries of our history.
You think we are stupid ?
Without Artsakh, RoA would be completely insecure.
@Rashid,
First of all, unlike the genocidal Turks and their pseudo-Turkish Azerbaijani criminals, Armenians are not occupiers, they are liberators. As such, they liberated the ancient territory of Artsakh, falsely known as Karabakh, under illegal occupation of the former Azerbaijani SSR for seventy years since 1921.
Second of all, the ancient and now-liberated Armenian territory of Artsakh, along with Nakhicehvan (still under illegal Azerbaijani occupation), were integral parts of the Armenian homeland. These regions were deliberately placed under Azerbaijani SSR administrative control within the Soviet Union by Joseph Stalin in 1921 as part of the good old Soviet divide-and-rule policy. In other words, these Armenian territories were placed under enemy control by the Soviets to hold part of the Armenian nation hostage in order to remove any obstacle, objection and resistance to the Soviet rule in Armenia.
Last but not least, neither Karabakh nor Nakhichevan has ever been part of the free and independent Azerbaijan but only under the Azerbaijan SSR administrative and illegal control within the boundaries of the Soviet Union which no longer exists. Therefore, when the Soviet Union came to an end, so did the illegal Azerbaijani occupation and control of these Armenian territories.
P.S. Don’t confuse politics of the region with national independence. Quite contrary to your belief, Armenia is indeed independent and that is why it unilaterally made the decision to fight and reclaim a part of its occupied homeland from enemy illegal occupation. Today, this piece of ancient Armenian homeland, unlike when it was deliberately neglected through anti-Armenian policies by the Azerbaijani SSR racist government, is being taken care of and nurtured by its indigenous Armenian population. There is more democracy, progress and infrastructure construction in this little piece of land now than there is in the entire artificial state of Azerbaijan.
Rashid,
First of all, unlike the genocidal Turks and their pseudo-Turkish Azerbaijani criminals, Armenians are not occupiers, they are liberators. As such, they liberated the ancient territory of Artsakh, falsely known as Karabakh, under illegal occupation of the former Azerbaijani SSR for seventy years since 1921.
Second of all, the ancient and now-liberated Armenian territory of Artsakh, along with Nakhicehvan (still under illegal Azerbaijani occupation), were integral parts of the Armenian homeland. These regions were deliberately placed under Azerbaijani SSR administrative control within the Soviet Union by Joseph Stalin in 1921 as part of the good old Soviet divide-and-rule policy. In other words, these Armenian territories were placed under enemy control by the Soviets to hold part of the Armenian nation hostage in order to remove any obstacle, objection and resistance to the Soviet rule in Armenia.
Last but not least, neither Karabakh nor Nakhichevan has ever been part of the free and independent Azerbaijan but only under the Azerbaijan SSR administrative and illegal control within the boundaries of the Soviet Union which no longer exists. Therefore, when the Soviet Union came to an end, so did the illegal Azerbaijani occupation and control of these Armenian territories.
P.S. Don’t confuse politics of the region with national independence. Quite contrary to your belief, Armenia is indeed independent and that is why it unilaterally made the decision to fight and reclaim a part of its occupied homeland from enemy illegal occupation. Today, this piece of ancient Armenian homeland, unlike when it was deliberately neglected through anti-Armenian policies by the Azerbaijani SSR racist government, is being taken care of and nurtured by its indigenous Armenian population. There is more democracy, progress and infrastructure construction in this little piece of land now than there is in the entire artificial state of Azerbaijan.
I don’t see the purpose of ARF-D Councils’ statement of response to President Sarkisian’s decision to join the Russia’s Customs Union.
If there was no legislation for the Preseident to confere with the members of the Parliament prior to “signing the agreement” the prsident saw fit to comply with the predicement for the welfare of the country, as the ARF already agrees.
The bridge to cross to European Union’s “doorstep” has already been achieved. By Joining the Russian Customs Union, that bridge doesn’t necessarily self destruct but be temorarily obstructed.
Finaly, regarding ARF’s demand from Armenia’s authorities “….inform the public of and include the political parties in similar decisions…” It is the responsibility of all the Armenian political parties to legilate such matters.
Avery, why are you snapping at Rashid? Nagorno-Karabak is part of Azerbaijan. This is just a statement of fact. According to UN, and all international norms and laws, it is part of Azerbaijan. Now whether or not, it should be part of Azerbaijan, granted, can be a topic of dispute, as it has been. But at this time, the fact is, it is part of Azerbaijan.
As for Armenia and customs union, and here too, Rashid is right. The “decision” to join was not voluntary. How could it have been? Russia controls your energy, your borders, your military supply, and is a source of huge amounts of diaspora money. I bet Put essentially told Sarkissian, “Either join the union, or out of the military pact. You cannot cherry-pick.” And if I were an Armenian, I would be very worried about this development. Your country is no longer an independent one. It is a Russian province. Back to the USSR days! Azerbaijan, on the hand, continues to prosper and be independent. And soon a business deal with Russia might pop up where we can negotiate with Russia DIRECTLY over Karabak. What could Sarkissian say to Putin if the latter genuinely pushed for his compromise on Karabak? If Putin can “convince” him to give up the whole foreign trade policy of entire Armenia, do you really think he can have difficulty in freeing up a few occupied districts as an appetizer for Azerbaijan? We Azers have taken note of this latest development. We know (even more than before) who we have to go to negotiate. Putin!
Hopefully pres. Serge Sarkissian was smart enough to get some adevantageous packages from Putin as rgds great Russia’s vast economic resources,such as low cost natural gas, gasoline,aviation gasoline and other such..
Otherwise, customs duties exemptions also quite important for tiny Armenia.Latter exports quite a bit of brandy and wine to mother Russia and other produce that could be more competitive ,if heavy duties*customs duties are lifted and these can be very competitive in the Russian market and othjer ex republics of the soviet union.However, EU also is there ,sicne a July agreement as above mentioned by someone is also in effect.Most importantly ARmenia should exact special attn” from Russia for having a base adn access to many Armenian plants8most of which are sitting pretty,after plunge of the S.union.These ought to be re-started by Russia and products again shipped to the aforementioned ex 14 Republics with the customs duties exemptions as an old very reliable ally that fought alongside it IN GREAT NUMBERS OF SOLDIERS-as co,mpared dto the size of the ex Armenian soviet Republic to others…
Shad Barev hasgcoghin
Karim, Avery isn’t snapping at anyone, he is merely stating facts. You should stop relying on Azeri “news” sources, except for entertainment purposes. Whenever I stumble upon an Azeri article, right after I stop laughing I typically start feeling sorry for the writer and his/her respective audience which might fall for such delusions.
The problem is not NKR, Armenia or its diaspora, or even Azerbaijan, the problem is with the mindset of your country and its people, which in essence is a left over Young Turk genocidal mentality. It is not only not realistic, it is downright ridiculous. If you claim NK is “part of Azerbaijan” then what is Azerbaijan doing or did in the past to protect its Armenian citizens? In the NK war, Azerbaijan tried to destroy the Armenian citizens of Stepanakert, never mind the army. Such a “country” lost its legitimacy, and any rights it may have had by trying to pull another genocide on its own citizens. Lachin was deliberately blocked to prevent any food, water, or supplies to reach the population. By such actions which started previously in Sumgait, what your country merely proved was that the NK inhabitants made the correct decision to want nothing to do with Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan has nothing to offer its Armenians except death.
It will have to come to pass that one day you must accept the fact that Armenia was done terribly wrong from the beginning of the 20th century until today. First by genocidal Turkey, next by USSR cruelty. Whatever we as Armenians today are working for is for the purpose of undoing the wrongs that have been done to us for the past one and several centuries at the hands of uninvited Turkic peoples who have convinced themselves that Armenia’s lands are free for the taking. We are not interested in “destroying other people and their country or taking their land”, that is a Turkic specialty – we are merely interested in restoring our rights and country. If you suffer casualties along the way, it is your choice not ours, we know very well what our lands, rights and history are.
You, as well as Azeris in general, also keep claiming that “Armenia is a puppet of Russia” while “Azerbaijan is free”. Nothing can be further from the truth. In fact what is evident on the outside is the reverse on the inside, and Armenia is in fact more free. In the Customs Union agreement Armenia could very well have rejected Russia’s request, but obviously they weighed the benefits with the potential disadvantages and made their decision.
Armenia may be under the protection of Russia, but Azerbaijan is under the protection of several countries and their respective oil interests, including the US, UK and Russia, while at the same time a proxy for Turkey. And not only is Azerbaijan not free, unlike Armenia, it is vulnerable with the various conflicting interests it tries to accommodate.
Had the Armenian Genocide resulted in total annihilation of Armenia do you believe “Azerbaijan” would exist as a country? I don’t think so. It would either be part of Turkey or more likely Russia today. The ultimate difference between Armenia and Azerbaijan is that Armenia was re-established for the purpose of giving the Armenians their homeland again. And Azerbaijan was newly established for a specific purpose by Turkey (Pan-Turkism) which the various Muslims of the region were forced into the mold of. If you believe otherwise then perhaps you can provide a plausible explanation why the former Tatars of the Caucasus were forced into thinking of themselves as “Azeris” in light of the fact that such a nationality never existed before.
“And Azerbaijan was newly established for a specific purpose by Turkey (Pan-Turkism) which the various Muslims of the region were forced into the mold of.”
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So Turkey, which didn’t even exist in 1918, created Azerbaijan and forced the Muslims to identify as Azeris? OR, Turkey, in 1991, established Azerbaijan and forced the people there, who, in 1991, already identified as Azeris, to RE-identify as Azeris?
You are technically right, but I didn’t think using ‘Turkey’ instead of Genocidal Fascist Young Turks would matter much, since the former’s ideology is pretty consistent with the latter’s. Either way, I suspect the Azeri moniker was forced by the Soviets in order to make their accounting less complex and as part of the deal with the upcoming Turkey headed by the genocidal Young Turks and its “new and improved”, supposedly “non genocidal” leader “Father of all Turks”.
The USSR changed the mission-statement of the entity known as ‘Azerbaijan’ after it was silently agreed that the upcoming Turkey could acquire western Armenia, and the USSR, Azerbaijan. “As a bonus consolation” for the upcoming Turkey the USSR would chop Armenia up into little pieces (a divide and conquer strategy for the USSR and bonus for Turks). So Nakhichevan would be part of Azerbaijan, thus “creating a border” between the two Turkic people’s, compliments of Armenia. And NK would be placed under the control of Azerbaijan as well so that the Armenians could be placed in check and always be in conflict, thereby diverting attention from other issues. Let’s not forget that while Stalin the Georgian was at it, he slipped in a little bonus for his mother country as well.
After the fall of the USSR, we can observe the re-emergence of Azerbaijan’s original mission-statement today, that being pan-Turkism. “We will wash our feet in Lake Sevan” – “South Azerbaijan Province of Iran belongs to Azerbaijan the country” – “Two nations one state” – etc etc etc.
Hagop, first let me first agree with you about the Azeri newsites. They are not good. But you and I are talking about the English language ones on the web. I doubt you have read anything in Azeri or in print. As for these amateurish Azeri-English translated web pages, you should really be comparing them to the same class of Armenia-based similarly “funny” sites, and not to the professionally-English-language done AW, etc. The fact is, there are a lot more Armenian English –speaking diaspora than Azeri, and – this does not say anything about low-quality Azeri journalism per se.
Now, about your Armenian history “lessons”. I challenge you to name an independent country called Armenia in Caucasus in the last 1000 years prior to 1918 establishment of it. As for anything that may or may have happened before 1000 years ago, any sane modern person (especially Americans with their 250 year history) would laugh off any territorial claims stretching that far in the dustbins of history. The truth is, Caucasus has been ruled by Turkified LOCAL tribes for nearly 1000 years. So it is really disingenuous to call Karabak an Armenian land. E.g., do you know who the Russians signed their treaty in early 1800s? The Azeri Panahali khan. How could it have been an Armenian land then between then and 1918? I challenge you to name on historical event beween 1800s and 1918 that turned into an Armenian land. Even the British in 1918 recognized it as Azeri.
In the end though, none of the above historical stuff matters, as you were off topic in responding to my comment to Avery. THE FACT IS, according to all international law and norms, Karabak IS an Azeri land. And it has surely not been Armenian for at least 1000 years! Before then … do you really want to go there?
As for Armenia being independent now — really? Are you that delusional? How can Armenia be independent when we see how Putin controls you, your border, your gas, your roads, and now your foreign trade policy. Azerbaijan has ties with multiple regions and balances them well. Who exactly is it that controls Azerbaijan like Russia does with Armenia? Turkey? It is probably the other way around. We are a net investor in Turkey and have the energy leverage over them. Iran? We have been pissing them off for some time, and will help Israel/West take it down pretty soon. Russia? We kicked out their Gabala base, and gave them nothing, e.g., when Putin was in Baku the other day. America? Frankly, America does not really care about Azb to control it or not. For them, we are just a gas station. We have done extremely well economically. Yes, we are lucky to have oil. But it is no small deal to make it work for us in such a tough neighborhood, under the angry eyes of Russia, Iran, and with the mythology-driven Armenian fascism. Georgia went crazy and paid for it. Azerbaijan continues to flourish. Frankly, we don’t even need Karabak. It is just farmland. You can keep it if you want. But you have lost Armenia. For over 1000 years, you did not have an independent Armenia, and now, finally you had it … and you are squandering it with Russia to pay for your gas. Aren’t you ashamed even a little by the way Putin has treated your President, the symbol of your statehood … to call him into his office like an intern, and tell him what to do pronto, not even giving him time to consult his people in Armenia! You call Sarkissian a leader of an independent country? I don’t think so.
Karim,
You are double-talking again. Your entire tone here is to condemn occupation yet you are questioning a lapse in the Armenian statehood, for as long as you are, due to invasion by Turkish tribes from Central and East Asia thus marginalizing the victims of occupation and legitimizing the occupiers. Right there you have already discredited yourself. What you need to realize is the fact that the current Armenian Republic is the 2nd successor state to the ancient Armenian kingdom whose independent existence was interrupted by invading Seljuk and the Ottoman Turkish tribes.
In other words, it is insignificant to you and you turn the focus away from the fact that Armenia existed as a kingdom and a nation state in this region for over one and half millennium, that’s 1,500 years of such existence and nearly 650 years before the name Azerbaijan itself was invented, up until 1375 but it is much more important to your agenda and scheme that Armenia temporarily lost its independent standing, needless to say, as a result of invasion and occupation.
You are discrediting yourself because you are misinterpreting the occupation of an existing Armenian nation state by the Turks as the absence of an Armenian state or legitimacy. Therefore, you are defending occupation while misrepresenting it as something else whenever it suits your goals. What’s even worse is that you have the audacity to ignore the importance of the continued Armenian nationhood since the ancient times WHILE focusing your attention on and talking about the 1800s and making claims when neither Azerbaijan existed at the time nor was the name Azerbaijan invented yet.
Furthermore, it is a fact that the so-called nation of Azerbaijan is fabricated and the republic of Azerbaijan is nothing but an artificial state. The Azerbaijani nation is fabricated because its people are not unique with a unique history of their own. They are a mix of ancient Persians and various non-native invading Turkic tribes from Central and East Asia. Azerbaijanis falsely consider themselves unique and Turkic while a simple proof that invalidates this claim is the fact that the only commonality the Azerbaijanis have with the Turks is the language which they adopted from the Turks. Just about everything else in their identity and makeup is Persian. This on its own proves Azerbaijanis are not native to the South Caucasus region (North of the Aras River) but only native to Northwestern Persia or modern day Iran (South of the Aras River).
The invention and the creation of the artificial state of Azerbaijan was part of a bigger pan-Turkic and pan-Turanist scheme. This Turkish ideology called for the unification of all Turkic people from Central Asia to the gates of Europe which, as far as we Armenians are concerned, meant the removal and destruction of the Armenian state from its path of expansion. It was for this reason that the Turkish forces, after committing genocide on the Armenians and murdering 1,500,000 Armenians in Western Armenia, moved their troops to South Caucasus to join up with the Azerbaijani separatist criminals to put an end to the Armenian existence, or whatever was left of it, altogether.
The name Azerbaijan surfaced only a century ago and has its root in Persia. The name Azerbaijan is a derivation of the Persian words “Azer”+”Paygan”. In Persian “Azer” means “Fire” and “Paygan” means “Fort” or garrison. Naturally and obviously this name does not refer to a race or a nation of people but only refers to a location in ancient Persia.
The reason why the name Azerbaijan was chosen to name this fabricated nation and the invented and artificial state of Azerbaijan in the South Caucasus was to fool the Turkish-speaking Persians living in Northwestern Iran, in two Persian provinces with the same name (East and West Azerbaijan province), into believing these Persian provinces together collectively are so-called “South Azerbaijan” while the artificial state of Azerbaijan in the north as “North Azerbaijan”. These were carefully thought out and fabricated by “Northern Azerbaijani” separatists in order to make claim to Northwester Iran as Turkish territory which fell perfectly within the overall pan-Turkic expansionist agenda.
No matter how you look at it, the fact remains that Armenia existed as a nation state for over one and half millennium in absence of Turkish existence in the region WHILE the artificial state of Azerbaijan has never existed as such anywhere and at any time and only surfaced on the world map as an invented state in 1918.
Karim,
You are double-talking again. Your entire tone here is to condemn occupation yet you are questioning a lapse in the Armenian statehood, for as long as you are, due to invasion by Turkish tribes from Central and East Asia thus marginalizing the victims of occupation and legitimizing the occupiers. Right there you have already discredited yourself. What you need to realize is the fact that the current Armenian Republic is the 2nd successor state to the ancient Armenian kingdom whose independent existence was interrupted by invading Seljuk and the Ottoman Turkish tribes.
It seems it is insignificant to you and you turn the focus away from the fact that Armenia existed as a kingdom and a nation state in this region for over one and half millennium, that’s 1,500 years of such existence and nearly 650 years before the name Azerbaijan itself was invented, up until 1375 but it is much more important to your agenda and scheme that Armenia temporarily lost its independent standing, needless to say, as a result of invasion and occupation.
You are discrediting yourself because you are misinterpreting the occupation of an existing Armenian nation state by the Turks as the absence of an Armenian state. Therefore, you are defending occupation while misrepresenting it as something else whenever it suits your goals. What’s even worse is that you have the audacity to ignore the importance of the continued Armenian nationhood since the ancient times WHILE focusing your attention on the 1800s and making claims when neither Azerbaijan existed at the time nor was the name Azerbaijan invented yet.
Furthermore, it is a fact that the so-called nation of Azerbaijan is fabricated and the republic of Azerbaijan is nothing but an artificial state. The Azerbaijani nation is fabricated because its people are not unique with a unique history of their own. They are a mix of ancient Persians and various non-native invading Turkic tribes from Central and East Asia. Azerbaijanis falsely consider themselves unique and Turkic while a simple proof that invalidates this claim is the fact that the only commonality the Azerbaijanis have with the Turks is the language which they adopted from the Turks. Just about everything else in their identity and makeup is Persian. This on its own proves Azerbaijanis are not native to the South Caucasus region (North of the Aras River) but only native to Northwestern Persia or modern day Iran (South of the Aras River).
The invention and the creation of the artificial state of Azerbaijan was part of a bigger pan-Turkic and pan-Turanist scheme. This Turkish ideology called for the unification of all Turkic people from Central Asia to the gates of Europe which, as far as we Armenians are concerned, meant the removal and destruction of the Armenian state from its path of expansion. It was for this reason that the Turkish forces, after committing genocide on the Armenians and murdering 1,500,000 Armenians in Western Armenia, moved their troops to South Caucasus to join up with the Azerbaijani separatist criminals to put an end to the Armenian existence, or whatever was left of it, altogether.
The name Azerbaijan surfaced only a century ago and has its root in Persia. The name Azerbaijan is a derivation of the Persian words “Azer”+”Paygan”. In Persian “Azer” means “Fire” and “Paygan” means “Fort” or garrison. Naturally and obviously this name does not refer to a race or a nation of people but only refers to a location in ancient Persia.
The reason why the name Azerbaijan was chosen to name this fabricated nation and the invented and artificial state of Azerbaijan in the South Caucasus was to fool the Turkish-speaking Persians living in Northwestern Iran, in two Persian provinces with the same name (East and West Azerbaijan province), into believing these Persian provinces together collectively are so-called “South Azerbaijan” while the artificial state of Azerbaijan in the north as “North Azerbaijan”. These were carefully thought out and fabricated by “Northern Azerbaijani” separatists in order to make claim to Northwestern Iran as Turkish territory which fell perfectly within the overall pan-Turkic expansionist agenda.
No matter how you look at it, the fact remains that Armenia existed as a nation state for over one and half millennia in absence of Turkish existence in the region WHILE the artificial state of Azerbaijan has never existed as such anywhere and at any time and only surfaced on the world map as an invented state in 1918.
Rashid,
I wonder since when Turkey became an independent state?
Turkey’s military and securities control by American and Israeli security system! One small mistake by Turks your beloved turkey will be cooked for a thanksgiving dinner in Washington DC!!
**** Avery, I absolutely loved and agreed with your comment., weel said & totally on the mark, ” It is not Azerbijans Nakoro-Karabakh, it never was ” Artsakh is an Armenian land, historical fact.!!!!