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I was in Istanbul recently as part of a Lebanese production team working on a mobile phone commercial for a third country. Normally this would have taken place in Lebanon, but the politically unstable conditions here are diverting work into Turkish coffers. Interestingly, I was booked in a hotel located only a hundred meters away from the Armenian Agos newspaper, whose founder, Hrant Dink, was assassinated on Jan. 19, 2007. While resting and waiting for time to
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Thank you for this very interesting article.I enjoyed it tremendously.
The district is called Beykoz (with an e) and the word for shoe is ayakkabı, which means “foot cover”
I have been reading Nigol’s writings and find in them the artist the he is. he is not only a film maker but a story teller as well.
Thank you Nigol, vartsket gadar.
Garo
Irvine , CA
“Are you a Kurd or Alevi?”… “Alevi”. Alevi has become a sort of ethno-religious term for us. We consider ourselves Alevi first, Turk, Kurd, etc., second. If you asked me the same question (even if you included a third option of ‘Turk’) I’d reply the same way. I think most Alevis would respond this way.
RVDV:
You have written that you are an Alevi: God be with you.
Q: Are you an Alevi first ?
A Turk ?
A Kurd ?
That’s interesting, but I guess it is similar to how the Ottoman empire was, one would be a Muslim first and foremost, everything else was secondary, and after religion that would be an Osmanli. So if the Kurds, Alevis or both ever want autonomy or independence does that mean they would not want to call it Kurdistan, but something else? What about Alevi-Turks and Alevi-Kurds, do they consider themselves pretty much the same culturally and nationality-wise?
Avery: I thought I had mentioned it before, maybe not, not sure. Anyway, the answer is Alevi. From the stories my grandparents told me, we were neither allowed in Turkish villages, nor the Kurdish ones, thus explaining why both sets of my grandparents’ villages growing up were high on hillsides, in barely arable land. It only got better in the 1950s for my father’s family, when the last of the Greeks were deported under the “population exchange” and they moved into the home of a Greek family- pretending to be “regular” Kurds. Often times, Kurds- who were supposed to be our own people- were worse or just as bad as Turks. At least Turks weren’t our ethnic kin. Growing up, I often heard sunni Kurds only referred to as “Shafi’is”, most Kurds being of the Shafi’i school of Islam. I feel no affinity towards Kurds at all.
Hagop: As far as Alevi-Turks and Alevi-Kurds, it really makes no difference for the most part.. A large majority of Alevis are actually Turks, and many of them claim that Alevis are the “true” Turks, as we are not Arabized, in a religious sense, like the Sunnis. It’s a complicated topic. Some Kurdish Alevis do support the PKK and Kurdish independence movement, but it is a very divisive topic- we see ourselves as Alevis above all for the most part. So as far as autonomy, no that’s more of a Kurdish thing. Alevis live, traditionally, in central and east-central Turkey, not in the southeast. Also, Alevis are notoriously poorly-organized, much more assimilated into mainstream society, etc., so I don’t see autonomy for Alevis happening.
un très beau récit d’un cinéaste sur Bolis, Hrant Dink et la nuit.
Interesting that both characters, who would not describe themselves as Turkish even if it was the nth choice on a list, communicate in Turkish and make a living in a Turkish city in Turkey. It was a similiar love and obsession with ethnic/religious identity that killed Hrant and continues to spread violence and misery in the region. Could not help noticing the irony. Yes, Istanbul can be a gray and sad place during winter, as Pamuk has described elegantly in his various novels.
Very nice article & good story teller as always
By the way I left comment after your poem dedicated to your Mom
but I don’t think it went through
I remember her hospitality full of smiles when the crew of “cycle Carmen”
slept in the living room
Looyseroo metch mena
I will never go to turkey where my grandfather and uncle disapered from the face of the world . Where my Father was A genderma taken from Jerusalem to serve in the Turkish army from 1911 to 1917 when he was taken to be killed with few dozens of armenians who were serving the army . Fortunately my father took a chance and escaped. I fear you keep going to turkey is dangerous . The more they are educated the more dangerous they become . Their are good ones also. My father witnessed the massacre as a soldier , and burried armenians along the road before a German convoy arrived.
RVDV
I used to live for a long time in a neighbourhood in Istanbul where the Alevi people dominated the neighbourhood. I think that they are much happier compare to the past decades as they can practice their religious belief openly and they are well represented in the low level government posts and the Army. They can now built Cemevi as they like.The main problem is the Sunni majority still look down these people’s belief and expect them to be happy with what they have. I do not think that they have been assimilated as they are much more organised compare to the past.I do really support the Alevi rights as I feel that one part of my brain is Alevi
The situation has certainly gotten better I agree. While we can build Cemevi, why are they still not recognized as a religious institution? These are issues we still need to address. The problem in Turkey is that no one respects each other, period. Not their beliefs, political ideology, their position on the Armenian issue, and even soccer teams (remember the Fener fan who was stabbed in the heart after Galatasaray won the league)? Everyone who is deemed an “other” no matter the basis, is deemed untrustworthy, an enemy of the state. There are enough people out there that take joy in our disunity and dysfunction, we need to work together based on our similarities, not let our differences divide us. For that, we need 2 things. 1- to face our history in a truthful matter. Get it all out there. It’s the only way we can ever move. We HAVE to do it. Second- we need a democratic society where this can be achieved and where we can have actual peace. We have gone from being a so-called Muslim success story with regard to democracy to being labeled a hybrid regime. We’re being talked about as just another Muslim country now. We can be better than them, we ARE better than they are, our only enemy is ourselves. My two cents on the issue.
Also, I take it your a liberal then? Not many conservative Turks would associate with Alevis.
Alevis are very marginal Muslims, to say the least and today count many, many who have Armenian ancestors among them, as it was an easy segue to a new and safer identity post 1915…no mosque, no Ramadan, few restrictions. A DNA study would reveal the degree of cultural and ethnic cross fertilization, which is probably very high.