It really hurt! My favorite song, “Zarteer Lao,” was briefly co-opted by a Turkish soccer team, Fenerbahçe! And it’s not the first time. Many other songs’ music has been stolen by the Turks (though, in fairness, some of our unscrupulous singers do the same in reverse—revolting!). This is especially hurtful when it’s the music to patriotic, nationalistic, or mournful (genocide- or massacre-related) songs. But we got lucky this time, in that the Turkish team’s hatred for Armenians led them to immediately discontinue using the music. A friend did a quick-and-dirty translation of the lyrics used by the soccer team, as below:
Put your uniform on
Get on the field
Put your heart into it
Put your heart
Show your anger
The foe will be defeated
Victory is near
We have strength to battle
Breath to waste
Lives to give away
To Fenerbahçe
But here’s a thought. Since fans of Fenerbahçe sing that one day everyone will become Fenerbahçe fans, maybe their use of the music to “Zarteer Lao” is a sign that one day, all Turks will become Armenians, or at least return to their roots, be they Armenian, Assyrian, Cappadocian, Greek, or any other native nation of Anatolia and the Armenian Plateau that the brutal horsemen from Central Asia forcibly Turkified.
Then we have the Turkish parade that went off on May 28th in New York. How grotesque that a celebration of that which represents the murderers of the Armenian nation occurred on our First Independence Day. It used to be the organizers used the cover of “Turkish Children’s Day” (April 23) to organize propaganda parades in New York to counter our efforts on and around April 24th. Now they’ve moved on to May 28th. These people clearly have no shame.
But what’s even more worrisome, in a substantive way, is the growing military production capacity of the Turkish economy. While cooperation with Israel may be in abeyance after the flotilla/Mavi Marmara incident of last year, that with the U.S./NATO is moving ahead apace. Izmir (where my grandmother’s from and was witness to massacres by the founders of the current Turkish Republic, not the Ottomans) will soon become host to NATO’s Land Force Command. Aircraft (most recently heavy lift helicopters) are being sold to Turkey or jointly manufactured in Turkey with other NATO members’ (including the U.S.) arms producers.
As if all this wasn’t enough, Turkey’s getting a free ride, public relations-wise, because of the crackdowns by some of the Arab regimes where people have taken to the streets. Whether ferrying injured Libyans away or allowing Syrians to set up camps inside their border, one of the biggest creators of refugees, Turkey, is now looking like a great humanitarian, just what the doctor ordered to polish up their otherwise genocidal image.
But, of course, no mention is made of the fact that the man who tried to extort Cindy Crawford (early 2009) over some picture of her daughter is a Turk. He came from Germany to the U.S. and was later deported, so is referred to as “German” (at least by the LA Times), rather than his true origin. But when news broke of the medical scammers a few months ago, their Armenianness somehow became relevant.
And can someone explain to me why Turkey’s extension of its smoking ban is deemed newsworthy by the LA Times, but its ongoing occupation of Cyprus is barely covered by the same paper?
Finally, we have the “almost Turks.” There’s the two-faced Jane Harman. Luckily, she’s out of Congress. Unfortunately, she’s now someplace where she can, arguably, do even more damage: the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Remember, this is the same compromised outfit that several months ago honored Turkey’s foreign minister, Davutoglu! The other “almost Turk” is Hugh Pope. This guy has clearly spent far too much time in Turkey. He was interviewed by Ian Masters on KPFK on June 13. He was smooth and subtle in masking Turkey’s massive flaws, always creating a “balance” between this roguest-of-rogue states and who/whatever else was the point of comparison.
All of these call for response from members of the Armenian community. Just take the initiative and complain loudly whenever you see these items in the news. Complain to the media, to relevant government agencies, or corporations. Don’t wait for a campaign to be organized. Just do it. Be strident, firm, and polite. Leave them no wiggle room. Turn up the heat!
Garen Yegparian
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Garen,
Good Read and Good Point. Ever wonder why late President ,Nixon, called the Turks,” The sick men of Europe?” If Turkifying our, ” Zarteer Lao” is not bad enough, here, get a load of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkqLacaGZvw ( George Baghdoian Adanayi Voghperkeh )
Here’s the Turkified then Gypsified by Turk pirates’ version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zk0BbTwqZw
Jay,
Who would call Turkey a “Sick Man of Europe” NOW?!!! Compare Turkey’s economy (15th in the world) versus Armenia’s (86th in the world). CASE CLOSED!!!
Robert: you again; have you no shame ? what happened to your firm promise not to post @ ArmenianWeekly ? Why do you keep coming back ?
Lookey here Robert,
Turkey, might be the 15th in Global economy, but let me show you some statistics. According, to the ILS ( International Labor Statistics ) Turkey, imports four times more than it exports, leaving Turkey in NEGATIVE balance. There are 3.2 million unskilled,ILLEGAL Turk labors seeking employment in Europe. The ,ILS, estimates some additional 2.7 million Turks will migrate to the EU by the year 2030. Turkeys, current unemploynment rate is 11 percent. Let’s do math, Turkey’s current population is 70 million X 11% unemloyed= that is 7.7 million. Add 7.7 unemployed with 3.2 Illegal Turks in EU seeking employment= ONE SCREWED UP TURKISH ECONOMY. LOL
Robert,
Case is NOT closed. Simplistic minds like you are unable to make valid comparisons. Control for all the human and physical assets stolen from Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, the impact that Turkey’s illegal blockade of Armenia has had on Armenia’s economy, the difference in population size between the two countries, and many other relevant factors, then you can think of making such comparisons.
Who would call Turkey a “sick man” or anythink like that? Ask Germans what they think of your fellow countrymen.
Sylva,
You amaze me. Just noticed that you’ve had a poem posted on the youtube. You’re incredible. Let’s see here, There’s ATM machine,Soda Machine, Snack Machine then there’s our good ‘ole Sylva, the Walking-Poem Machine. Keep it up.
Avery You said the mourning of Adana was stolen by a Turkish singer. When I checked the video you gave me . They were singing in the Armenian language. The armenian people of Adana all learned armenian , on top of that they were even singing in armenian. Perhabs they took eccalerated armenian lesson? We definitely know that the mother tongue of Armenian people of Adana is Turkish. How comes they sing in armenian? Perhaps invention?
How a nobel Prize winner was treated in Turkey…
Turkish people should be ashamed…to treat him this way…
According to his speech he has many cultures…
See the video…and comments
I never read his book Because I never read Stories
But he used somewhere else this proverb…
“He digs the ground by a needle”
“Aseghov kadene or ge pore”
We Armenian have the same proverb…
Attracted me to read more about him…
http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=153
Jay…
Thanks for you…you stimulated me to write
but most are removed even on You-Tube
As well as on this site …
Never mind it will be published in a book …
I don’t blame the correctors
They don’t want to create problems …
They have the right
Sylva
Monastras,
What did you have for breakfast today? Paint Chips? Dude, your comment went right over my head. I tried to get some sense out of it, instead got me all messed up. Whew….Now I need a shot of Yeager and an Ice cold Beer…and it’s only 10 in the morning over here. Thanks to you.
Sylva jan,
You had mentioned in your poem,” Adana became desert.” So true. Out of seven in her family, my Grandmother, was the sole survivor of Adanayi Chart, she used to say .”Once flourished Adana, it became ghost town after the genocide.” In this day and age listen to a Turk talk and they all say the same thing,” Crime? What Crime? We haven’t committed a Crime. GEEEZ…What we did was we Turks failed to comply with the International law.”
“We definitely know that the mother tongue of Armenian people of Adana is Turkish. How comes they sing in armenian?” —-Monastras, are all Turks so narrow-minded or you just happenned to be one of the kind? The mpther tongue of Armenian people throughout their ancient history and under any colonizers remained Armenian. In fact, the language and restricted practice of religion were the only privilidges that Armenians, i.e. indigenious inhabittants of eastern Asia Minor, were allowed to preserve as a humiliating millet under the Ottomans. Your and your Turkish ilk comment son these pages only reinforce the great suspicion that Armenians have that nothing, NOTHING has changed in the Seljuk/Ottoman mentality of the most of the modern-day Turks. How can you state something without doing a bit of research? I’m sure even Turkish sources will tell you that Western (Ottoman) Armenians spoke Armenian and used Turkish only when dealing with non-Armenians. How brainwashed your whole society must be to be ignorant of even such minor things? It only means that Turks as a nation could care less about where all the native peoples of Asia Minor and the Armenian Plateau disappeared and as a result of what Turkish barbarian actions.
“They were singing in the Armenian language. The armenian people of Adana all learned armenian , on top of that they were even singing in armenian. Perhabs they took eccalerated armenian lesson? We definitely know that the mother tongue of Armenian people of Adana is Turkish. How comes they sing in armenian? Perhaps invention?”
Monastras:
The song was not sung by the inhabitants of Adana – they were massacred remember ?. It was written by an Armenian to commemorate the massacre of Adana in 1909.
Since you are a Turk living in Turkey, you can research the local sources. Look up what Sait Çetinoğlu (a Turkish scholar.) said about this song back in 2008:
I have pasted it for you below:
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Son söz
100 yıl sonra Kilikya katliamlarının tartışılması çok önemlidir. Zira bu gibi birçok önemli olay bilinmemektedir. Bu konferans geçen yüzyılda bu coğrafyadaki holokostun ve Soykırım provasının anlaşılmasını sağlaması bakımından gereklidir. Bilgilenme ve bilinçlenmeyi sağlıyacaktır. Bu bakımdan bir insan hakları savunucusu olarak Sabancı Üniversitesine ve düzenleyici kuruluşlara teşekkürlerimi sunarım.
Bilgisizliğin ve bilinçsizliğin nerelere varabileceğinin bir örneğini de günümüzden vermek isterim: Adana’da vahşice öldürülen 30 bine yakın kişinin anısına yakılan, Ermeni halkının duyduğu acıların bir feryadı olan Simpad Pürad’ın Adanayi Voghb (Adana Ağıdı) isimli ağıt, Seden Gürel adlı bir Türk pop şarkıcısı tarafından melodisine kendi kafasından bir söz yazılıp Sebebim Aşk adıyla bir aşk şarkısına dönüştürülmüştür. Seden Gürel adlı pop şarkıcısının bu tutumu, Ermeni halkının acısına saygısızlığın bir başka örneğidir. Bırakın insanlar bari yaslarını tutabilsinler, yaslarına saygısızlık yapmayalım!
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After you have done the reasearch, let me know if you are convinced that this is an Armenian mourning song stolen by a Turk pop-singer and converted to disrespectful lyrics insulting to Armenians.
If you are convinced, please make sure you follow up with a post critcizing the pop-singer, and apologizing for your post above.
If you are not conviced, tell us why.
BTW: did you buy and read the book Seervart mentioned and I provided the Amazon link for to you ? You said you are interested in eyewitness accounts of the AG.
Jay: Monastras (a frequent Turk poster) is referring to another thread, where I stated that Turks keep stealing things from Armenians and calling it ‘Turkish’.
I noted the Adana song as a recent example (in the news just recently).
I gave him the links to the original Ադանայի Վողբերգ and the one with the Turk woman.
Apparently Monastras has reached the conclusion – judging by his post above – that since the song is sung in Armenian, and since in his information base Armenians of Adana did not speak Armenian, Adana Voghberk could not possibly be of Armenian origin, so it must be an original Turkish song. We stole from them: See ?
Ani
I’m sure even Turkish sources will tell you that Western (Ottoman) Armenians spoke Armenian and used Turkish only when dealing with non-Armenians. How brainwashed your whole society must be to be ignorant of even such minor things?
When you made this comment, did you actualy check the facts ?
Avery
I had already checked the fact that this singer actualy copied the song. I can understand the feeling of Armenians but I still find them oversensitive. At the end of the day, she isn’t going to sing this song in Armenia.We all know how low these singers can be. They can do anything to steal other people’s song let alone this one which has no owner appearantly.
I think that Armenians temted to use selective sources or onesided arguments to support their case but there is always the other side of the coin which you need to confront. I haven’t done a researh about the Adana massacre but I get the impression that this massacres wasn’t an unprovocative killings and If I remember correctly, 17000 Armenians and 4500 Turks were killed. Which means Armenians weren’t the only group that were killed.
Yes, Monastras oghlu, I know this firsthand: my grandmother, whose relatives were burned alive by Turkish gendarmes, passed to me many facts about their miserable life under the loathed Turkish colonizers. And FYI: she was telling me everything in perfect Armenian, She sung lullabies and songs to me in Armenian when I was a child. She could read and write, literacy acquired in an Armenian school in Adana. Make an effort, don’t be a day-long sitting on the chair Turk, and research Turkish sources about 2-2.5 millions native Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire before the year of genocide in 1915 as to what social existence they had as a millet-i-sadika. You’ll find out that the only privilege they had was a restricted practice of religion and language. And don’t give this idiotic “did you actually check the facts” next time you exchange vies with a descendent of a genocide survivor. We know everything firsthand: WE were the victims, not the Turks.
Actually, I am not even surprised to hear what Monastras says about the native tongue of Armenians. That’s what Turks think. I was amazed when a very educated Turkish colleague of mine asked me if I spoke Turkish. He was assuming that, since my grandparents were from Western Armenian, they spoke Turkish to me. On a different occasion he told me that Armenians who come from Western Armenia (he said Turkey) do not realize that they are more Turkish than Armenian. Of course, I said to him what I had to say and set the record straight. I am Armenian, we are Armenian, our language is Armenian. It is in fact the other way around. He is the one who is likely to be more Armenian/Greek/Assyrian than Turkish (Mongol).
Monastras, I don’t know why you are assuming that the mother toungue of any Armenian is anything but Armenian even if they live/lived in Turkey. Do you have a superiority complex? FYI, the Armenian language and alphabet are among the oldest surviving in the world. They will be around forever.
Monastras:
I understand English is not your native tongue, but your first post does not connect with your second: are there 2 Monastras ?
Here is the relevant part from your 1st post: [”Avery You said the mourning of Adana was stolen by a Turkish singer…..How comes they sing in armenian? Perhaps invention? “] Clearly, you are implying my statement that a Turk stole an Armenian national song was an invention by me – which means, I made it up.
Your 2nd post: [“I had already checked the fact that this singer actualy copied the song.”]
So now you agree I was right, and a Turk stole an Armenian national song.
And instead of apologizing, your solution is to claim we are oversensitive: ingenious.
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As to the Adana Massacre:
Turkish sources claim that Armenians ‘started rampaging and attacking the Turks’, as a result of which ‘…ended up with about 17,000 Armenian and 1,850 Turkish deaths.’ Now remember, these are numbers according to Turkish sources. How is possible for armed Armenians to attack either armed or unarmed Turks and suffer deaths more than 8 times greater than the Turks ? does that make any sense to you ? The only explanation is that Turks just massacred unarmed Armenians. So even your Turk sources indirectly prove it was a massacre.
I will not discuss what unbiased sources say: you can do the research yourself – which I am sure you won’t; it will shatter the illusionist make-believe world that most Turks seem to live in.
An whether Turks were ‘provoked’ or not means nothing: it is no justification for massacring unarmed, defenseless civilians – it is a crime. Only in a Turkish mind it is justifiable to murder 30,000 Armenian civilians if there was an alleged ‘rebellion’ by a few dozen Armenians – allegedly.
And let me remind you – again – the numbers above are from Turkish sources.
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BTW: if armed Armenian had attacked unarmed Turks, the death numbers would be the exact opposite.
If armed Armenians had engaged armed Turks the casualty figures would be about equal: maybe 1-2, or 2-1 at most.
Historical Note: at the Battle of Sarikamish, the Turkish 3rd Army of 118,000 under Ever Pasha was completely destroyed by the combined Russian Caucasus Army (100,000) and Armenian volunteer brigades. At every engagement during that battle, Armenian detachments defeated the Turks.
Just to remind you that only way to kill that many Armenians with so few Turk deaths is if Armenians were unarmed and were murdered en mass.
I understand that you Armenians suffered a lot and you are angry and I accept that my ancestors are responsible for this but if you don’t stop this blatant racism (like in this article), it is impossible to resolve anything. I have never seen any other people like this, playing both the poor victims and they also see themselves as some special, chosen, superior people.
Avery,
A big 10/4 on that. For a moment I thought we were dealing with a ,PANCAKE, on the loose.
Sorry Metin, you don’t really understand.
1. We are not playing victim: we want what’s ours – the idea is to pester and harass you Turks until you go insane for what your ancestors did to my ancestors.
2. There is no racism on our part – blatant or subtle: racism is a Turk specialty (ask me to provide several examples, if you like).
3. It’s not going to stop until we get justice: get used to it. You Turks screwed up Big Time: your genocidal ancestors made a big boo-boo: they were sloppy in their job. Enough of us managed to escape your murdering thugs to regenerate into 12 Million. Every new generation is filled with more determination to see that our people get justice. You missed your big chance to finish us off: guess what ? it’s our turn – payback is gonna be a BITCH.
4. We ARE special, chosen, superior people: why else would you Turks steal EVERYTHING of ours and present it to the world as ‘Turkish’ ?
One Turk does not speak for all Turks, just as one Armenian does not speak for all Armenians. This site allows us to broaden our own perspectives, if we are willing.
I personally agree with much of what Avery contributes, but I bristle a little when he and others suggest that Armenians are a superior group. Certainly peaceful, literate, artisans and merchants are preferable to war-mongering destroyers and thieves in any corner of the world. Who would you rather have as a neighbor? But this is more about ignorance and culture than genetics, no? And many Turks saved our people in the past while others today have shown that they just as easily contribute to literature, history and civility as their ancestors did to land grabs…Akcam, Gunaysu, Pamuk….
What do we really gain, when we paint all with the same color? It adds little to our understanding of each other. Armenians and Turks come in many different packages. It is the ‘deep state’ element of Turkey that is our main enemy. Let’s not get confused and let our national pride cross that subtle and dangerous line. It is not our best feature.
Metin: Did you have a chance to read the definition of genocide as in the 1948 UN Genocide Convention? Allow me to remind you. Genocide means any of the acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. This is what your ancestors did to the Armenian nation: they blatantly destroyed a racial group. And you dare to accuse us of “blatant racism” for anything that we do, write, or advance to get justice?! It’s unheard of how a descendant of race annihilators accuses the victims of being “blatantly racist.” Put it into your pipe and smoke it: this is no blatant racism on Armenians’ part. This is righteous indignation for the great injustice done to us.
Please.Boyajian, spare me with your ‘Good Samaritan’ talk. Enough Already. Yes,there exists Pamuks,Akcams and Gunaysus but those good Turks are few. Majority of them are,Anti-Armenian. Click on youtube and search for Anti-Armenian Turk protesters and you’ll have a second reservation on what you have said earlier. One of our biggesst problem is that,we Armenians are too damn nice to others. Enough is Enough, No more nice guy here. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Capice? If You wanna broaden your perspective, go visit Turkish newsgroups and introduce yourself,and watch the FIREWORK.
I also bristle when one suggests that Armenians are a special, chosen, superior group. We are renowned of great contributions into the human civilization and take pride of our accomplishments in science and technology, engineering, industry, trade and commerce, banking and finance, arts and literature. As creative sedentary people we may see ourselves as “superior” to the bellicose nomads, but I’d refrain from overly aggrandizing the nation I belong to. I am proud to be an Armenian and a Christian, but not superior to others. Superiority complex may lead to calamities, for example Ottoman Turks’ superiority complex led to destruction of all traces of ancient civilizations as well as physical presence of the millions of Greeks, Assyrians, and Armenians in Asia Minor. Armenians will never become bloodthirsty Ottoman Turks, of course, but suffering from a superiority complex is harmful, nonetheless.
Jay —-“Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.” This is obviously an unChristian talk. We must have a Christ-like ability to forgive our enemies. I don’t mean to say we must stop advancing our cause for justice, but, rather, to prepare ourselves to forgive when the enemy repents. A pharisaic saying “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth” is not a paradigm that we need to prepare ourselves for forgiveness.
Boyajian:
Right you are: I speak only for myself. I rarely use phrases with the pronoun “we” when referring to Armenians: I am well aware that I have no right to assign my personal views to the entire Armenian nation…..in this case I made one of those rare exceptions.
When a Turk posts something inflammatory, false and hateful, I am not going to play nice: I’ll use hyperbole, exaggeration, words-that-hurt, whatever to show the Denialists that I am watching, there is no middle ground, there are no shades of gray, no papering over when it comes to AG.
I consider Metin’s post Anti-Armenian and subtly Denialist. The sentence ‘I understand that you Armenians suffered a lot..’. uses the standard Turk code-words such as “you suffered (i.e.…we also suffered, everybody suffered)”. Our people did NOT ‘suffer’: they were exterminated, wiped out, centuries of civilization gone.
Metin is a smart poster: he deliberately chose the word ‘suffer’ instead of ‘Genocide’ or ‘Exterminated’.
How should one retort this: [‘I have never seen any other people like this, playing both the poor victims and they also see themselves as some special, chosen, superior people.]’ ?
‘playing’ the poor victim: PLAYING ?
I don’t like Yegparian’s writings much. However, for a Turk to come here and complaint about Armenian ‘racism’ when almost the entire Turkish society, with tacit Government approval, is rife with Anti-Armenian hatemongering is too much for me.
Obviously I don’t think Armenians or any other race, ethnicity, or religion is superior to any other race, ethnicity, or religion – any more than there are ‘master races’, ‘chosen people’, etc. And if Metin withdraws his Anti-Armenian post, I’ll withdraw items #2 and #4 from my post.
If he doesn’t, I won’t either (….with apologies to heroic Ms. Gunaysu, Mr. Akcam, …. and all other righteous Turks)
Ani:
Your 1st post: you clearly see what I saw in Metin’s post – which gave me the license to retort to him strongly.
Your 2nd post: I already responded to Boyajian why I used certain words – which I don’t believe as an Armenian – to cause indigestion to a Denialist.
re “Superiority complex may lead to calamities, for example Ottoman Turks’ superiority complex led to destruction of all traces of ancient civilizations as well as physical presence of the millions of Greeks, Assyrians, and Armenians in Asia Minor.”
You are right, it does lead to calamities. But think about your sentence for a moment: if you were a Nationalist/Ittihad Turk, would you consider what happened to others a calamity ? They forcibly took the most productive lands, beautiful Black and Mediterranean Seas coastlines, inexhaustible sources of fresh water (more valuable in the future than oil), accumulated wealth of others, a strategic geography…..
What calamity ? Turks came out way ahead.
I agree with you that the last thing Armenians need is a superiority complex, but for reasons other than yours.
Avery,
” Look up what Sait Çetinoğlu (a Turkish scholar.) said about this song back in 2008:”
It looks like Turkey has too many scholars who i dont know most altough i live in Turkey..
Who is this Çetinoğlu ? A kürt ?
A kind reminder to all. The topic of this thread is,”Turkish Irritants.” and NOT,” Armenian Irritants.” So let’s stick to the topic.
Avery jan, I only objected to the hyperbole of Armenians being superior beings; otherwise you and I see pretty much eye to eye even though we express ourselves differently. More power to you for telling it like it is and not letting denialists spew their lies.
Jay, I got your point, too. Just remember that most Turks who spew hatred have been brainwashed to do so by their educational system and deep state denialists. I don’t like it anymore than you do.
And I agree with Ani regarding the pitfalls of superiority complexes, but share her pride in Armenian accomplishments.
Necati:
why don’t you look him up ?
obviously you have access to the internet, therefore to Google.
And what if he is a Kurd ? that makes what he says untrue ?
Only a, quote, ‘pure’ Bozkurt TÜRK is above suspicion ?
(I am assuming what you call a ‘kürt’ is meant to be a Kurd)
Dear Avery: I posted my comment before your responded to Boyajian with explanation for what you meant by “special, chosen, superior group” in a specific context and in response to a particular Turk. With your amendments — fully taken. I’ll never cease fighting for justice for Armenians and against the colonizer, genocidal, and denialist Turkish state. Nor will my children. We will never stop until our cause is recognized, apologies offered, and retributions made. NEVER!
Avery, I didn’t kill anybody and I born into a country personally I have nothing with its history. But you apparently hate me for being born in this country and then how can you expect me to care about you. I was feeling sympathy for Armenians after I read about this issue but later I realized that you Armenians are really racists. You Armenians always talk about how you are native people, how you were a great civilization and how Turks are barbarians or uncivilized. Some of you even call us Mongols like it is an insult. If you were talking more about your suffering rather than this self-praise, Turks would feel sympathy and we could resolve it. All I see from you is insult. Personally I am OK with paying reparations or other forms of compensation but you people want a revenge and maybe a genocide of Turks in Anatolia, like suggested in this article.