Armenia called on the United Nations to prevent genocide in blockaded Artsakh during an emergency meeting convened by the U.N. Security Council today.
“I do believe that this distinguished body, despite geopolitical differences, has the capacity to act as a genocide prevention body and not a genocide commemoration body when it might be too late,” Armenian Foreign Minister Ararat Mirzoyan said.
The meeting was scheduled following an appeal from the government of Armenia to address the “deterioration of the humanitarian situation” in Artsakh. Azerbaijan’s blockade of Artsakh has been ongoing since December 12, 2022, when government-sponsored protesters posing as eco-activists closed the Berdzor (Lachin) Corridor, the sole route connecting Artsakh with Armenia and the rest of the world. The blockade was tightened on April 23, 2023, when Azerbaijan set up an illegal military checkpoint along the corridor, placing all movement between Armenia and Artsakh under the control of Azerbaijani border guards.
Artsakh leadership and international actors have warned that the humanitarian crisis in Artsakh is deteriorating significantly. Food, medicine and other basic supplies, which were already limited due to the blockade, have dwindled since Azerbaijani border guards barred deliveries of humanitarian aid in mid-June, which were previously supplied by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and the Russian peacekeeping mission. Azerbaijan has also blocked the ICRC from transporting patients requiring medical assistance to Armenia several times in the past two months.
Several U.N. Security Council member countries called for the immediate resumption of humanitarian aid deliveries to Artsakh by the ICRC.
“It is incumbent on the parties not to impede or politicize any principled humanitarian efforts,” said Edem Wosornu, the director of operations and advocacy of the U.N. Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. “Responding to humanitarian needs is not an act of legitimization or recognition. It does not take sides, and it does not yield to political influence,” Wosornu said, calling for humanitarian aid deliveries “through any available routes.”
The Azerbaijani government has proposed delivering humanitarian assistance to Artsakh via its territory through the Azerbaijani-controlled city Agdam. Artsakh’s leadership has rejected this offer, stating that there can be no alternative to reopening the Berdzor Corridor.
Several member countries noted the possibility of delivering humanitarian aid via Agdam during today’s U.N. Security Council meeting. Dmitry Polyanskiy, deputy permanent representative of Russia to the U.N., said his country supports the use of alternative routes for the delivery of humanitarian aid, particularly the “opening of a parallel corridor through Agdam and Lachin for the movement of civilians and cargo.”
Linda Thomas-Greenfield, the United States ambassador to the U.N., acknowledged the “possibility of compromise on additional routes for humanitarian supplies.” “Neutral, impartial, humane and independent humanitarian access and assistance, including medical transfers, must not be hindered, full stop,” she said.
Silvio Gonzato, deputy head of the European Union delegation to the U.N., said that the EU has “taken note of the expressed readiness of Azerbaijani authorities to supply goods via the city Agdam. However, this should not be seen as an alternative to the opening of the Lachin Corridor.”
Yashar Aliyev, permanent representative of Azerbaijan to the U.N., accused Armenia of rejecting the offer to deliver goods through Agdam, which he called evidence of Armenia’s “political hypocrisy.” “If Armenia were genuinely concerned about ordinary residents of the region, it would have never objected to the usage of the Agdam-Khankendi [Stepanakert] road,” Aliyev said.
He claimed that international actors, including Russian peacekeepers and the ICRC, had reached an agreement to open traffic along this road. However, the agreement did not materialize due to Armenia’s objections.
Mirzoyan said that there is “no alternative” to the Lachin Corridor, which he called the “agreed link between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh.”
Mirzoyan also quoted former Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court Luis Moreno Ocampo’s expert opinion from August 7 arguing that genocide is already underway in Artsakh. “There are no crematories, and there are no machete attacks. Starvation is the invisible Genocide weapon. Without immediate dramatic change, this group of Armenians will be destroyed in a few weeks,” Ocampo warned.
Just one day prior to the U.N. Security Council meeting, the first case of death by starvation was recorded in Artsakh since the start of the region’s ongoing blockade by Azerbaijan.
40-year-old Karo Hovhannisyan died of “chronic malnutrition” and “protein and energy deficiency,” the Artsakh Human Rights Defender’s Office said on August 15. The office attributed his death to the “catastrophic consequences of the ongoing eight-month blockade of Artsakh by Azerbaijan.”
It added that the blockade primarily affected the “health situation of the most vulnerable groups in society – children, pregnant women, people with chronic diseases, people with disabilities and older persons.”
Health conditions have been deteriorating among Artsakh’s population. The Artsakh Health Ministry attributes worsening health indicators to the shortage of medicine and medical supplies, inadequate nutrition, stress, suspension of scheduled surgeries and restricted access to medical care in Armenia, all caused by the blockade.
The Health Ministry has warned that medical supplies needed for hemodialysis will run out before the end of the month. The ministry appealed to the ICRC to conduct emergency evacuations of hemodialysis patients to specialized facilities in Armenia, warning that patients can die after a week of not receiving necessary treatment for kidney failure. Of the 41 patients receiving hemodialysis, 29 were evacuated to Armenia as of August 15. The remaining patients refused to be transferred, either because they have minor children at home or they are wheelchair-bound.
“I am bedridden. I have a caregiver at home. I want to live,” said 64-year-old Vera Hovsepyan, who has been receiving hemodialysis for the past five years. “I can’t go to Yerevan in this state and receive treatment, because I want to die in my wheelchair here in Artsakh and be buried in my own cemetery.”
“Patients who suffer from the terminal stage of acute and chronic kidney failure have been severely affected by the blockade as they can’t follow a special diet, adding additional dangers for their life and health,” said Kristine Avagimyan, head of the hemodialysis department at the Stepanakert hospital.
Other health indicators have also worsened significantly since the start of the blockade, especially since June, when Azerbaijan prohibited the delivery of humanitarian aid to the region.
Deaths due to cardiovascular diseases more than doubled in July compared to the same month last year, according to official data.
Deaths caused by malignant neoplasms, or cancerous tumors, have increased by more than 15-percent so far in 2023 compared to the same time period last year. Newly diagnosed cases of malignant neoplasms have increased by more than 24-percent. Health authorities attribute this data to the shortage of medication, changes in quality of life and severe limitations on adequate medical assistance.
The incidence of strokes has increased by 26-percent, and heart attacks, by nearly 10-percent.
Pregnant women have been especially vulnerable to the detrimental effects of the blockade on the healthcare system. Health officials have recorded cases of anemia among 90-percent of pregnant women under medical observation this year. This is a result of inadequate nutrition and a shortage of medication.
There has also been an increase in the number of stillbirths. Most recently, a pregnant woman in the Haterk village of the Martakert region could not reach the hospital in time, due to the fuel shortage for ambulances, and lost her baby.
“The Ministry of Health of the Republic of Artsakh warns that in the event of the continued full siege of Artsakh by Azerbaijan, the mentioned and other indicators will further worsen, leading to the loss of many lives or a deterioration in their health,” the Artsakh Health Ministry said on August 8.
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Armenians wanted this. They re-elected nikol, who said hed get tid of Artsakh
Nikol was funded by the west, namely the open society foundations. Nikol had grass roots support from the American University of Armenia and AGBU
Armenians wanted western money.
The price was Artsakh.
You get what you pay for. Now, Armenians, enjoy your snoop dogg concert, enjoy the other western frivolities.
And most importantly, enjoy your beloved prime minister. May your sons end up marrying someone as “classy” as anna hakobyan
ANNA HAKOBYAN IS A DISGRACE TO ARMENIA! HER APPEARANCE AND ATTIRE WITH FOREIGN DIGNITARIES AND REPRESENTATIVES IS IN JEANS AND HIKING BOOTS! WHY ISN’T SHE SHOWING OFF ARMENIA’S TALENTED FASHION DESIGNERS, TAILORS, SHOE MAKERS, HAIR STYLISTS, PURSE MAKERS, AND MAKEUP ARTISTS? IS SHE THAT STUPID AND NAIVE THAT SHE DOESN’T KNOW THAT SHE IS DOING PUBLIC RELATIONS FOR ARMENIA WHEN SHE LEAVES HER HOUSE?
First, create a historic mess. Afterwards, run off crying and complaining. Classic Armenian Modus Operandi.
It’s too late to do anything now. Major geopolitical shifts have begun across the world, and we Armenians effectively maneuvered Armenia right out of contention and straight into a dead end. We are not in a position to control or to even influence events. Therefore, what will happen, will happen. And whatever happens, it will be our collective fault. If any of you reading this has at time spoken against Serj Sargsyan, Robert Kocharyan or Russia, you have contributed to what Armenia and Artsakh are going through today. You got what you wanted in 2018- a Western financed “democratic” revolution. You then got what you deserved in 2020 – a historic defeat. People deserve the governments they have. There are no free meals in politics. Political illiteracy has a high cost. Karma is a you know what.
I agree with you.
I WATCHED THE ENTIRE SECURITY COUNCIL SESSION AND ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANGE HAPPENED. EMPTY STATEMENTS OF “URGING”, “DEEPLY CONCERNED” AND “DIPLOMATIC SOLUTIONS”. NATIONS SPOKE AND DID NOT CARE AT ALL ABOUT THE ARTSAKH CRISIS. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN KHRIMYAN HAYRIG ATTENDED THE CONGRESS OF BERLIN OVER 100 YEARS AGO. ARMENIA HAD NO MILITARY STRENGTH THEN AND HAS NO MILITARY STRENGTH NOW. ALL TALK. NO ACTION. THE WORLD DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE WEAK AND SO DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ARMENIA OR ARMENIA’S PETTY PROBLEMS AND “DEMANDS”. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE “DEMANDS” OF WEAK NATIONS. WHEN WILL ARMENIA LEARN THIS LESSON? AS AN ARMENIAN, I AM FURIOUS AT MY OWN COUNTRY FOR NOT GETTING ITSELF TOGETHER AFTER 30+ YEARS OF BEING INDEPENDENT AND CONTINUING TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY THROUGH CORRUPTION AND EVERY MAN-FOR-HIMSELF MENTALITY. SAD AND HOPELESS!!!
It is sad but true,they believe working as a team is a weakness, Armenians overvalue themselves,
“The Azerbaijani government has proposed delivering humanitarian assistance to Artsakh via its territory through the Azerbaijani-controlled city Agdam. Artsakh’s leadership has rejected this offer, stating that there can be no alternative to reopening the Berdzor Corridor.”
Why? Artsakh’s leadership Is not the first Armenian organization to commit suicide, but taking women and children down that path is now the responsibility of the Armenian government.
Stop killing your own babies and blaming your neighbor.
That is the only way to prevent mass deaths in the region.
However decision makers in Karabakh will not let that happen. If Azeris really take over they will judge/execute anyone affiliated with military, including everyone in charge – with some sort of pretext. Unless Russia neutralizes Ukraine in the next few months, —which is very unlikely, the best bet is to take the aid from the secondary road.
Hate to say it, but the comments so far–by Steven, Gurgen, Concerned, and Truth, are spot on.
It is not Armenian mistakes enough to blame ourselves… They say money walks money talks. I say oil walks and talks.
I have written my poetry book “Politics Play and People Pay” (2009)
When Iraq invaded Kuwait a friend from Cyprus said to my husband Kuwait has oil they arrived to care for, we had orange no one cared for us.
Azerbaijan “city” of Aghdam? Really” The city of 50,000 Azerbaijanis was completely destroyed by Armenian scavengers when Armenian’s illegally attacked and occupied it in 1993-94.
The United Nations demanded Armenians leave the illegally Armenian-occupied 20% of Azerbaijani national territory aside from its illegal occupation of Karabakh. The U.N. Security made those demand swith four separate Security Council resolutions.
Tell us, if the Security Council demanded Azerbaijan allow Armenian trucks in through Lachin Road when other roads are volunteered by Azerbaijan for use to deliver food and medicine to its own internationally recognized territory, why would Azerbaijan ever agree to do so?
There is a great flaw in all the arguments put forward by the comments, in my opinion. The population of Armenia voted for Nicole Pashinyan because he gave populist rousing speeches promising an accountable & transparent government, promising to clean up corruption & punish the guilty oligarchs & he said “Karabagh is Armenia 🇦🇲 end of.” It is highly unlikely that he was funded by the West, the opposite I’d say. Non of his promises came to fruition, on the contrary he has turned out to be an incompetent leader, seemingly lacking in historical knowledge, apparently lacking in diplomatic skills or ability to negotiate, lacking in circumspection when making statements & lacking in political courage. He appears to show careless disregard to the Armenian prisoners of war being mistreated in Azeri jails, & insensitivity towards the plight of the 120,000 indigenous Armenian people of Karabagh. He seems to be overawed & terrified of Putin & the Kremlin (who wouldn’t?) The problem is, the previous leaders – who are detested by the population – would very likely have acted in exactly the same way!! As for the ‘concerned Armenian’ who keeps posting such negative victim blaming comments, I wonder if he’s being paid for them & by whom? After all Armenia is a Captive Nation surrounded by atavistic enemies. Erdogan has said Armenian people were the “remnants of the sword” & that Turkey had to finish what they started! Putin & Lavrov have said that Nagorno-Karabagh belongs to Azerbaijan, Shoigu has commented about their “successful operation” in Karabagh referring to the 44 day war in 2020. Aliev is acting like a war criminal trying to starve the 120,000 into submission, & claiming “Erivan” as part of “ancient Azerbaijan” & demanding an extra-territorial corridor. As for Adam’s comment, he’s way out of order. What makes you think Aliev would feed the Karabagh Armenians? He’ planning genocide & ethnic cleansing & has not done anything that he agreed to so far, on the contrary he’s terrorising the peaceful Karabagh people, kidnapping & shooting farm & factory workers. It is the responsibility of the Russian so called “peacekeepers” to keep the 5 km wide Lachin or Berdsor corridor open. Instead they are emptying Armenian villages & handing them over to the Azeris. If the Russamol people cannot see this, they have “cognitive dissonance” as our friend the Concerned Armenian is so fond of branding people in many of his comments. My sincere hope is that Armenia & Artsakh manage to come out of their difficulties unscathed soon, by taking a leap of faith & choosing more reliable allies. Hopefully the International Community sanction Aliev to open the Berdsor corridor to avoid a 21st Century Masada.
Don’t know if you are simply ignorant of Armenian politics, or if you are making such comments to intentionally mislead and distract. Nikol was financed by the NED (founded by the CIA), and the rest of his odious group was finnaced by Soros’ Open Society Foundation, the British Council and various other north American and western European organizations. This can be proven in a court of law. Moreover, there is electronic evidence that tens-of-millions of US dollars were transferred into Armenia from Azerbaijan during the protests that brought Nikol to power in 2018. If you are not a Western or Turkish cyber activist, I suggest you wake up.
Just a reminder: Ararat Mizoyan had contacts with Turkish intelligence while he worked in Turkey. Ararat Mirzoyan made a living as Western grant recipient. Ararat Mirzoyan was burning Russian flags in front of the Russian embassy in Yerevan in 2015.
The likes of Ararat Mirzoyan (and those who still make excuses them) brought Armenia and Artsakh to their current situation. Today’s situation is therefore our collective fault. Armenians are perennial losers. Don’t believe me? Study Armenian history without rose colored eye glasses and you will be a believer. As I said, let things come to their logical conclusion. During the last 30 years, Armenians proved that they bit off more than they could digest in 1994. During the last 5 years, Armenians proved that they didn’t deserve Artsakh. Let Artsakh enter the Russian Federation. Artsakh and its Armenian population would be much better off. Armenians are not ready for, nor deserving of, self rule. Armenia needs to reset, move back under Mother Russia and finally be done with the nightmare of the last 30 years.
Get rid of the Russians they are distroying Armenia since 1922 .Get the western nations into Armenia.This is our last chance .Unite with the European Union..Get rid of the Russian Fascists.
Western powers are evil. Western civilization is toxic. The West is responsible for all the wars, revolutions and economic collapses around the world during the past 30 years. The West is responsible for millions of dead innocent civilians around the world. The West is responsible for the instability in Armenia’s neighborhood. The West is responsible for Ukraine’s destruction. The West is responsible for bringing Nikol to power in Armenia. It does not matter if you live in the West or not. It does not matter if you live well in the West. What matters is honesty, morality, truth, and being on the right side of history. So, let’s call items by their names. Let’s be intellectually honest. Free yourselves of your mental prison. Stop serving demonic forces.
Some of us here are proud “Russamol” because we are proud Hayrenaser. Some of us are Russophiles because we see Russia as the last bastion of conservatism, classical European civilization and Apostolic Christianity. Some of us see that Russia is on the right side of history and is a force for good around the world. Any Armenian that does not understand why Moscow began treating Armenia badly or cannot see that Armenia can’t survive without Russia is either deaf, dumb and blind, or a Western-Turkish agent. No other explanation.
The mess in Armenia and Artsakh is our fault. Like Concerned Armenian said, we had a chance to be like Belarus, Abkhazia or Crimea, we instead chose to be like a Kurdistan (abandoned and threatened). We got what we wanted in 2018. We got what we deserved in 2020. Now, stop complaining and enjoy your Westernization and Democracy. You of all people deserve it.
His entire life, Nikol dreamed of abandoning Artsakh, getting rid of the “Karabakh Clan” from Armenia, forgetting the Armenian Genocide, unconditionally opening Armenia’s borders with Azerbaijan and Turkey and, last but not least, bringing Armenia out of Russia’s orbit. Nikol never hid his political sentiments. In fact, he even wrote about all this when he was a pseudo-journalist.
Naturally, these unique characteristics exhibited by Nikol did not escape the attention of various intelligence services around the world. This essentially is how and why Western and Turkish interests helped place Nikol into power in 2018. This is NOT speculation. This can actually be proven in court. Follow the money trail that paid for social programs that ultimately paved the way to Nikol’s “New Armenia” (e.g. Soros’ Open Society, NED, USAID, British Council, European Council, AGBU, AUA, large numbers of Western financed NGOs, large numbers of Western financed propaganda outlets posing as news agencies, money transfers from Baku to Armenia just prior to Nikol’s “revolution”, etc) and you will end up in Washington, London, Brussels, Ankara, Baku, and perhaps Tel Aviv. To it’s utter shame and disgrace, the Armenian world, both native and Diasporan, preferred to keep Nikol and his gang of Western financed activists in power not once but twice, the second time being after the embarrassing defeat Armenia suffered in 2020.
So, faced with Armenian-style political instability, and having much bigger matters to tend to in Ukraine, 2018 was also when Russia, which had been Armenia’s only lifeline since the 1990s, began pulling its protective hand away from both Armenia and Artsakh, but did so only slightly so that the two wouldn’t disappear completely from the world map.
Said otherwise, we got what we wanted in 2018, we then got what we deserved in 2020.
Seeing that the Armenian world was desperately seeking to embrace Western powers to off-set Russia’s perceived over-influence in Armenia, protecting Armenian interests in Artsakh, as Moscow had done since 1992 at the expense of alienating Turks and Azeris, no longer served Russia’s strategic interests. Seeing that Armenians were persistently seeking Western integration, Moscow began cooperating with Ankara and Baku because it needed to pacify its southern flank on the eve of its historic conflagration against Ukraine and NATO. It worked, as both Ankara and Baku have not taken sides against Russia in the war in Ukraine. As such, as a major world crisis was approaching the region, instead of moving closer to the Russian Federation, if only for security reasons (similar to what Belarus, Crimea and Abkhazia had done), which would have been the logical/natural move as Armenia was and continues to be almost entirely dependent on Russia for survival, by 2018 the Armenian world had effectively maneuvered Armenia into geopolitical isolation and a dead-end. Just like how Moscow punished Baku in 1992, Tbilisi in 2008 and Kiev from 2014-present, Moscow also punished Yerevan in 2020. But, unlike what the Kremlin will do to Ukraine (i.e. Ukraine will cease to exist when this war ends), the Kremlin will make sure that an Armenia and an Artsakh survives in some form, as Russians still need Armenians in the south Caucasus as a geostrategic buffer against Turks and Muslims.
Said otherwise, we Armenians had a chance to be like a Belarus, Abkhazia or a Crimea (i.e. safe and secure at a time of global crisis), we chose to be like a Kurdistan instead (i.e. used, abused, beaten and abandoned).
In a nutshell, what I described above is how Armenians lost Artsakh. What I described is also why Armenia today is like a rudderless boat on a stormy sea with an utterly incompetent captain at the helm. All in all, the last 5 years in Armenia has been a nightmare, and a toxic by-product of Western-style democracy, Armenian-style political illiteracy and the self-destructive efforts of Armenians worldwide to use the West as a leverage against Russia. Consequently, Armenians today have no right to complain, as they were again the main authors of the country’s latest tragedy.
Therefore, yes, enjoy your “Westernization” and “Democracy”. You really deserve it…
Have we not seen this text before with all the same typos? Are you a machine?
Yes, I am a machine desperately trying to stop a sheeple from heading towards another massacre. Now, do you have anything intelligent to say?
Reader,
Concerned summarized the historic mess we have been in for the past 30 years and this is all you have to say about it? Are you Armenian? If you are then wake up and understand that your homeland is going to hell in a hand basket and typos is what you are concerned about? Are you a machine? Amazing people we Armenians are…
CA and Gurgen do have valid points but most of the other stuff is rubbish. I am not sure how Russia is this major super power with a dwindling population and one small smokey aircraft carrier. All of Russian genocides are blamed on the Jews, how convenient.
Breaking news: Russia is single handedly destroying Ukraine AND NATO, and it is doing so with only a fraction of its military potential. If you want to hear what really is going on in Ukraine, I suggest you stop listening to BS spewed by BBC and CNN and start listening to independent voices. Here is someone mucj smarter to listen to:
London Real interviews Col. Macgregor
https://youtu.be/_YA1tY1bHtw
Gurgen and CA’s sources are pro Russian westerners. They are just broadcasting for profits. Russia isn’t destroying anything other then itself.
Yes, of course. Collonel Macgregor, Ron Paul, Tucker Carlson, Stephen Cohen, John Mershimer, RFK jr., Larry Johnson, Paul Creig Roberts, Chris Hedges, etc, are all looking for Russian money. They couldn’t possibly be on the right side of history. Russia must be all bad. Putin must be all evil. Ukraine must be a democratic paradise. Zelensky must be the new Churchill. What a silly boy you are. Your “sources” are derived from CIA, MI6, Mossad and MIT. You people only excel at distraction and disinformation.
You rather see Armenia as a puppet state like Belarus? Don’t you want Armenia to be able to makes its own destiny? What is this fascination with wanting to be a puppet state under the Russian regime?
Most Armenians support the west anyways so your arguments are futile. No one wants Russia except you two and maybe North Korea.
The short answer to your silly question is – yes! I actually would like to see Armenia and Artsakh become part of the Russian Federation, similar to the status Chechnya enjoys. Just as in Chechnya, we will have our own government, our own language, our own flag, our own culture – plus a Russian nuclear umbrella to preserve it all. How is that any different from your EU or NATO? At least Russian don’t impose toxic liberal values their society. A tiny, landlocked and impoverished Armenia is located in a sea of Turkic-Muslim peoples. We saw the choices Armenians made during the last 30 years, especially the last 5 years. Enough is enough. For Armenia’s sake, we need to end this “independence” nonsense. Best option is entering into a closer union with Russia. We are not ready for independence, especially in a dangerous and complicated place like the south Caucasus. Did I answer your questions?
I AGREE WITH GURGEN!!! ARMENIANS CAN’T GOVERN ARMENIA! CORRUPTION, TAX EVASION, ILLEGAL LAND GRABBING, NEPOTISM, FRAUD, AND MURDER! WHAT A WONDERFUL WAY FOR THE FIRST CHRISTIAN NATION TO RUN A COUNTRY! DISASTER! WASTE OF 30+ YEARS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS! ARMENIA IS WORSE IN 2023 THAN IT WAS IN 1991.
WHAT’S THE POINT? LOW POPULATION! WEAK ECONOMY! WEAK MILITARY! NOT ENOUGH SOLDIERS! THIRD WORLD INFRASTRUCTURE! DRIVE 1 MINUTE OUTSIDE OF YEREVAN AND 100% POVERTY! ARMENIA NEEDS TO PICK UP THE PHONE, CALL RUSSIA, AND SAY ARMENIA IS YOURS! END THE INSANITY! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
PS: despite the activaties of Western NGOs during the past 30 years, a large majority of Armenians in Armenia are still very pro-Russian. Also, President Putin has a high rating in the country. Nikol and his Western and Turkish financed gang don’t represent the majority’s sentiments regarding Russia. It’s obvious you know very little about not only “lahmacun” but also Armenia.
Our compatriots are able to differentiate between seasoned politicians from ‘incompetent journalist’ who’s agenda is to push his personal vendetta against the former presidents, who kept Armenia and Artsakh, safe and sound over 30 years. Unrelated, Yvgeny Prozhgin, the boss of Wagner group, who led short-lived coup against Putin, died in a plane crash along with 18 other people, en rout from Moscow to St. Petersburg. I am guessing, itcould very well be Kremlin inside job or maybe not. However, hint to Illegitimate authorities of Armenia, who took the helm of the country by Power grab, don’t make Papa Putin mad.
Putin more mad at Russian failures lately, drone strikes in Moscow, F 16 being delivered to Ukraine, destruction of S 300 in Crimea, slow Ukrainian gains. Not exactly the signs of a winning nation in a war, face the facts like Armenia failed to in 2020 of what is going on
Lol, I like it how our Turkish guest lahmacun amusing us with his counseling of Gurgen about, Armenia being a puppet state of Russia. He seems to forget that throughout centuries Turkey has been a puppet state of the West in which their very existence dependent on them, especially Germany. The Germans came to the rescue of Turkey in turbulent years during the Gallipoli Campaign ( Apr-Dec 1915) where they fought off the ANZAC invasion. German General, Otto Liman Von Sanders, wrote a book titled, ‘Five Years in Turkey’,(for history lovers it is an excellent book to read), in his diary, the German General, writes how he was associated with the Gallipoli Campaign, in which he commanded the LOW LEVEL of Turkish Fifth Army, in defeating the allied invasion of ANZAC ( Australia, New Zealand, UK, Ireland, France, and India), in his memoirs,he writes,”…behind every ONE Turk soldier there were 7 German soldiers in Turkish uniforms shooting at ANZAC invaders,( to this date the Turks take pride each year in celebrating the victory of Gallipoli as if it was a result of their own ‘bravery’ ( bravery MY FOOT) , Anywho, now you know how the Turks ‘won’ the Gallipoli Campaign, they would’ve been blown up to oblivion without the Germans help.To our Turkish guest, the moral is, before you open your mouth with lahmacun breath, do yourself a favor and read the history of your nation authored by non-Turk historians, where this so-called Republic of Turkey, was built upon stolen lands of Armenia and Greece, where Istanbool once was CONSTANTINOPLE, , igdir mountain once was ARARAT, Nakicevan once was Armenian, and Artsakh will always remain Armenian, once we get rid of Pashinyan. FYI, not sure about Lahmacun being Turkish, however, this I know, GENOCIDE IS TURKISH, FORGED AND FOUNDED IN Ankara.
Russia hasn’t started to fight the Ukrainians with full force just yet, behind 90,000 Russian troops in the front line, there are 425,000 Russian soldiers amassed along Ikrainian border waiting for Putin’s order.
I’ll believe it when it happens about Putin’s order. In Germany in 1945 General Wenck relief army got nowhere and Steiner’s counter attack never happened. Be realistic, i was looking at the archive of postings in late October early November 2020 and it was tragic to see the hope against hope nature of many comments, obviously people believe what they want rather than what they fear but the level of misbelief, aggravated by false reports about the situation combined with a feeling of we won then so will win again on that basis rather than on what was happening now
led to a sense of disbelief and the predictable claims of a stitch up and betrayal when the ceasefire was brokered by Moscow which was just an action to soften the blow for Armenia and to esconce Russian interests which they can’t uphold nowadays either. Whilst ordinary life in Arktash was stable and prospering the Azerbaijan was gaining strength as Armenian military was lagging behind hence for the average person there all seemed well from a false sense of security but were in increasing jeopardy. It’s worth noting that I haven’t encountered Russians posting on this website explaining how they have done this and that for Armenia out of fraternity and how much Armenia means to Russia..
OK, Turkey is no longer anyone’s puppet. It’s a G20 nation.
West is the future. Russia is just a land of corruption.
You will lose the Ukraine war. The little areas you gain will be given back in time.
Charlie, that’s because by 1945 Steiner didn’t have an army to counterattack with. Today, Russkies have the bulk of their army on the border with Ukraine waiting for the green light. That green light will most likely be given when NATO countries like Poland intervenes directly, or when Ukrainian forces and depeleated, opening the possibility of Russian forces advancing to the river. Like I keep telling you, let go of the military topic. Tell your supervisiors you need additional training to get into that subject matter. Everything else you and your Turkish buddy wrote is a strawman argument meant to mislead and distract. Cheerio!
Hello Gurgen I’ll believe it when it happens about Russia, remember the Arabs were going to liberate Jerusalem until it became obvious that the joke was on themselves. Just don’t engage in hope against hope like so many Armenians did in 2020 only to have the horrible shock to realise that they had been lied to about the state of affairs hence the howls of betrayal. Don’t rely on Kremlin aligned sources mate. C
Charlie, one more time: those who betrayed Nagorno Karabakh were Western oriented Armenians. Russia was not obligated to help us in Artsakh. For 30 years Russia was telling us to get out of the territories captired outside of the internationally recognized borders of Nagorno Karabakh and allow Russian troop deployments in the territory. We didn’t listen because we foolishly thought we could play you Westerners off against Russia. It all backfored. It was OUR fault. Moreover, Russia down-graded its relations with Armenia when Armenians allowed Western financed activists to come to power in the 2018 Color Revolution. Had we been like Belarus or Chechnya, we would have been much better off. Tragically, we believed Western promises and pursued Western money. Speaking of the West, London was the first country that recognized Nagorno Karabakh as part of Tatar territory now known as Azerbaijan. And the French were responsible for giving Cilicia to Turks. The Bolshevik government that took control in Moscow after 1917 knew that the Armenian government in Yerevan was allied to the West. So, in the end, we were betrayed by the West and punished by the East. And it was all our fault. History is repeating. Did you finally learn something?
Armenia when under the apparently patriotic leadership, failed to make an offer from a position of strength on the pain of resumed hostilities and instead shilly shally and in time Azerbaijan gained strength. When Armenia had its alliance with Russia in 1996? Russia only offered protection to Armenia, perhaps many Armenians felt that Russia would still support Armenia over Arktash even if they couldn’t explicitly state as much for legal technicalities , in that case Russia should have made it clear to Armenia if Azerbaijan was to attack N-K and parts of then they were on their own just as they failed to make it clear to the Serbs in 1999 that if the USA was to attack them under the NATO aegis then they were on their own it wasn’t 1914 anymore. If Russia has no obligation support the Armenian position in Arktash , as it’s internationaly recognised as part of Azerbaijan which seems set to be compel Arktash to surrender as matters currently stand. Then no right minded Armenian should support Russia in Ukraine if it’s all about internationaly recognised boundaries until the “end of time” then it’s just too bad if the mendacious Soviet cartographers assigned Russian populated areas to Ukraine and they must suck it up just as they expect you Armenians to do the same. As I’ve stated before whilst the UK recognised Azerbaijan control of Arktash in the chaotic period after the collapse of the Russian empire and the assertion of Soviet authority the Soviets could easily have denounced it as odious and assigned it to Armenia saving much bloodshed of both Armenians and Azeris in its time but under their internationalist race and religion mean nothing agenda did nothing of the sort. The western powers were supportive of greater Armenia or Wilsonian Armenia as it was known which you acknowledge which means that the west did support an Armenian nation following the 1878 boundaries between Russian and Turkish empires but your Soviet benefactors were instrumental in its collapse and colluded with Kemalist Turkey and a return to the pre 1878 boundaries. Have you asked Armenians in Armenia whether the events of recent years make them feel better or worse about Russia. @ Ararat who used to post who despised Pashinyan in much the same way as you and @concerned do stated that if Russia had issues with Pashinyan and co but not with the Armenian people in general seeing them as fraternal to concur with Azeri actions against Armenia to discredit Pashinyan was also collectively punishing Armenians and would alienate many Armenians, and actually hasn’t won the favours of Azerbaijan either. Similarly if Russia manages to get Ukraine to cede territory in exchange for peace it’s likely that this will be denounced as odious by the west and sanctions against Russia will remain until it’s compelled to withdraw unless it’s able to force London and Washington to formally and openly yield to their position which seems most unlikely as matters stand.
Charlie, please better organize your thoughts. You are all over the place, chap.
One more time: For superpowers, it’s do as I say not as I do. This applies to Russia as well. Moscow will pursue its geostrategic interests in Ukraine. And I fully support their effort. As long as Armenia remains tiny, remote, landlocked and impoverished, Armenians will not have such luxury. But, answer these question: will London be giving Northern Ireland back to Dublin? Will London allow the Scottish their full independence? Britain and Cyprus were and still are allies. Why did the West allow Turks to take northern Cyprus? Why is London still occupying the Argentinian islands of the Malvinas? Why did London support the destruction of Iraq, Syria and Libya? Why is London seeking to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian? On second thought, don’t bother answering. You won’t be able to answer them properly because they would not fit into your predetermined political narrative.
Since 1994 Moscow was telling us Armenians that we were on our own in Karabakh. Since 1994 Moscow had been telling us to leave the 7 territories taken outside of kartabakh’s recognized borders and allow Russian peacekeepers in. Moscow made every effort to solve the dispute peacefully. We didn’t listen because we thought we could play around with our complimentary politics. By 2020 the world had changed. We basically screwed up. The disaster of the last 5 years is of our making.
There was no such thing as “Wilsonian Armenia”. It was never ratified by the US government. It was a short lived hot air balloon floated for psy-op value. The already ravaged Armenian population on that land was a tiny minority. Turks and Kurds would never give up the territory as it would spell their end in Asia Minor. London and Paris nevertheless revealed their true face when they gave Karabakh to Tatars and Cilicia to Turks. In the end, we saw that “Wilsonian Armenia” was simply meant to warn Turks against an alliance with Moscow and bait Armenians into an alliance with the West. When the first world war ended, so did the fairytale of “Wilsonian Armenia”. I know Western powers are trying to revive the fairytale as a bait for Armenians once again. Certain circles in Armenian society are being financed to bring it up. That is why you are also bringing it up.
Not only was “Wilsonian Armenia” never ratified by the US government, but the US Senate rejected President Wilson’s request for the authority to establish a mandate for Armenia by a vote of 52 to 23 on 1 June 1920.
It doesn’t matter wether, 1920’s US senate, recognized the Wilsonian Armenia or not for political reasons, but the bottom line is, history has shown that,the United States, has been and is aware of the existence of Western Armenia. There maybe a time someday in foreseeable future, current political allies may become arch enemies, therefore, the Wilsonian Armenia, may be put back on the agenda. As late US president, Ronald Reagan, once said,” It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first” (prostitution).
And that is what I call a silly pipe dream. “Wilsonian Armenia” is populated by millions of Kurds and Turks. We Armenians cant even properly govern the tiny bit of Armenia we have. Yet, we are day dreaming about Westerners gifting us virtually half of Turkey. Armenians never cease to amaze with their fantasies and fairytales. Cognitive dissonance, political illiteracy in full display.
Pure fantasy.
No bias here.
Hey, let me ask you something. What are you going to do with all the Kurds?
Also first govern Armenia properly then look to expand your lands.
What a silly comment. You put the US’ awareness of the existence of Western Armenia ABOVE its legislative act?
@ CA: “We Armenians can’t even properly govern the tiny bit of Armenia we have.” My conviction precisely.
To the one who claims that lahmacun is Turkish, which in fact never was Turkish as many other dishes in their cuisine, but originated in the Levant and is derived from Arabic laḥm ʿajīn, meaning “meat with dough”: Hey, but before a Turk speaks of the Kurds now populating Western Armenia, he or she must remember that these lands were ancestral lands of the Armenians who populated them for millennia before they were mass annihilated by the Turks in 1915.
To the reader who claims Armenia was not capable or strong enough to avert Azeri agression, FYI, here’s an excerpt of Former Minister of Defence of Armenia, Davit Tonoyan, in regards to the 44 day war. ” …in order to face the threats [Azeri] against the Republic of Armenia, as well as to ensure the security of the people of Artsakh, the armed forces of Armenia were able to face a force 2-3 times greater than theirs [Azeris], taking into account the level of training of the Armenian troops, the geography, the characteristics occupied by the Armenian Armed Forces. The level of preparation of the Armenian Armed Forces was sufficient in terms of conducting a DEFENSIVE battle. This is not my assessment, this is calculated and argued information”. He concluded. As a matter of fact, even Alliev later on admitted the loss of 48,000 of Azeri troops during the 44 day war. In addition, do not ignore the fact that both, Armenia and Artsakh, fought against several EXTERNAL enemies: Turkey, Azerbaijan,Israel, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and ISIS mercenaries from Terrorist nation of Turkey, and ONE INTERNAL ENEMY, (not TAVAJAN), but internal enemy from Armenia by the name of Pashinyan. The latter was and still is the biggest threat to the security of Armenia and Artsakh.
Jay, sadly, what you are doing is engaging in feel-good rhetoric and disseminating lies. Tonoyan was full of it, and he proved to be just as corrupt as all the others. Azeris did not lose 48,000 men in the 2020 war. Aliyev did not say that. That’s false information. As the defending side in rugged terrain, the Armenian side had many advantages over the attacking Azeri side, yet Armenians lost the war in the most embarassing of ways. Besides the internal treachery of Nikol’s regime that contributed to Armenia’s defeat, we lost the war also because Armenia’s armed forces today mainly consists of young, malnourished and undereducated peasant soldiers that were raised with American-style sitcoms and Hip-Hop. We lost the war because of bad leadership and subpar human resources. We lost the war also because we had lost Russia’s help by 2020. The first Artsakh war was won by Armenia’s Soviet generation, and with Russian support. All in all, the “independence” generation in Armenia today can’t even begin to compare with its Soviet predecessor. Armenia’s armed forces has been in a steep decline during the past five years in particular. So, let’s therefore please end the feel-good rhetoric and fluff.
The two most important rules in warfare are: never overestimate yourself and never underestimate your enemy.
@ CA: Correction. Armenians did not lose the war in the most embarrassing of ways. They handed the victory to the Azeris. Or, to be precise, they were forced to hand the victory to the Azeris. From a purely military perspective, Azeri tanks and armored vehicles could not breach the minefield density along the line of contact unless they were either cleared of mines prior to their advance or a demined land corridor was created for them to advance into the security zones around NK and into NK proper. Besides, there was no way in hell the Azeri “soldiers” could take Shushi, which sits perched high on a cliff, unless they were unrestrictedly driven there in covered trucks. Due to unique conditions of topography and Armenian defensive positions around Shushi, it was militarily impossible to get to the approaches to the town let alone occupy it.
Arabo, I agree. The main embarrassment was the way the war was lost – the treason from within. Shushi was not lost in battle, it was abandoned. That being said, let’s not turn Armenian soldiers into something they simply are not. One more time, the biggest mistake nations do in warfare is overestimate themselves and under estimate their enemy.
My sincere apologies, the death toll of Azeris were not 48,000 but 47,999. Sorry, about that. Hope that made you feel good. Haji Ali, did admit on one of Azeri tv network during press conferensmce about the casualties. Google and find out. Anywho, Artsakh, has been under Azeri blockade for over 8 months and you are concerned about the death toll tally? Your spreading of character defamation of Armenians has no end. For a tiny nation, the contribution of the Armenians around the world are enormous in the fields of Politics, Arts, Science,Medicine, and sports, in addition to Lahmacun. For the rest of your…bla…bla…bla. don’t have time to argue with TAKHDA GHAFA like you.
I am just trying to bring down to earth high flying Armenians with big imaginations and bigger egos before they crash and burn again.
PS: Aliyev never claimed to have lost 48000 troops in the 2020 war. We need to get out of our fairytale mode (Wilsonian Armenia, democracy, international law, justice, we are better than Turks, etc). It’s only feeding our massive egos. It’s not doing Armenia any good.
In reference to my comment pertaining the Wilsonian Armenia, nowhere near have I suggested, advised, or flirted with the idea of returning the Western Armenia to its rightful owner. I was merely expressing the nature of politics and the politicians.
You are simply expressing your lack of understanding of how politics really work.
PS: if I am not mistaken “takhda ghafa” is a Turkish term. You seem to be an exceedingly proud Armenian patriot. Therefore please refrain from using Turkish words. You may also want to begin learning Armenian.
@ Concerned as for the Armenian Soviet generation prevailing in an attritional war 1991 – 94 but the sit com and hip hop generation failing badly in the 2020 does it not occur to you that in 1991 – 94 for Azerbaijan the Soviet generation faltered and the sit com and hip hop Azeri generation there prevailed spectacularly in 2020?
Very true about overestimation of oneself and underestimation of ones enemy …
Nice try, Charles. In 1991, a former Soviet dissident (the dissident movement in the USSR was led by the CIA and organized Jewry in the West) by the name of Abulfaz Elchibey came to power in Baku. Elchibey, a Pashinyan doppelganger, was, like Pashinyan, financed by Western sources. Elchibey, like Pashinyan, came to power preaching Russophobia, and wanted Azerbaijan to fully integrate with the West. That’s when Moscow began supporting Armenians. With newly gained Russian support, Armenia’s stalwart Soviet generation, after much pain and sacrifice, won the war by 1994. Elchibey was soon ousted by the Aliyev clan. Haydar Aliyev, Ilham’s father, was a seasoned KGB official. He therefore knew what needed to be done. He first cleaned house in Baku. Thereafter, he patiently began preparing for the next war with the large amounts of money he was making by selling oil/gas to your BP. More importantly, under his rule, Baku curbed cultural and sociopolitical inroads into Azerbaijani society by Western NGOs. At one point, Baku even shut down CIA’s Radio Liberty and your country’s BBC. In other words, Baku took Western money but not Western poison. Azerbaijan’s independence generation was therefore raised on hating Armenians and dreaming about retaking Karabakh. Armenia’s “independence” generation was raised on American pop culture, and dreams of migrating to countries with higher standards of living. By 2020, we had role-reversal. Do you now understand? Like Gurgen and I keep telling you, you know very little about Armenia, Russia and the region in general. You need more training. Please talk to your supervisors. In the meanwhile, if you have any further questions you know where to find me.
@ Gurgen
To fully support Russian actions in Ukraine yet to support it’s views of Armenias in N-K is a lack of integrity and dignity and what is known as a lackey or a running dog
As for northern Ireland it has an open borders agreement with Ireland and a devolved power sharing aggrement, prosaically demographic changes linked to mass immigration in the UK and Ireland have diminished the issue of wanting to be British or Irish.
Scotland had a referendum on independence but chose to remain with further devolved powers and is definitely distancing from England
Cyprus the agitation of many Greeks to unite with Greece and cold war dynamics and the botched attempt to stage a coup and unite led to the Turkish invasion and north Cyprus which is only recognised by Turkey and is impoverished as a result.
Falklands, Argentina briefly held the islands in the early 19th century and the brief occupation in 1982 , the islands have never had an established Argentine population
Iraq, Syria, Libya oil and divide and rule policies and an opposition to nationalist leaders in conjunction with the USA.
Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, power play as Russia is seen as a strategic rival a chance to hobble and cold cauculus, if fated to violently clash let it be in Ukraine rather than closer to Britain, assuming that it goes to plan also the Ukrainians seem to be keen to confront Russia although no doubt emboldened and enabled by foreign support.
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As for willisonian Armenia it was a proposed entity but failed to gain international support, Britain assigning N-K to Azerbaijan, France withdrawal from cicilica and Soviet support for Turkey overuning Kars meant the end of the entity it should also be noted that the collapse of the Greek positions in Anatolia at the same time was another failed endeavour. I haven’t heard of any support for a revived greater Armenia in western circles indeed the west is all about keeping boundaries as they were with the noted exception of Kosovo
What is the issue is that Armenia must be more realistic about Russia and how much of a support has it actually been not and an enemy but not the best of friends either actually it has it’s own self interest as is reasonable and this may not coincide with Armenian ones,not to turn against it to appease the west , nor to be infatuated with it not to ignore the issues between Russia and the west and thus as an ally of a hostile power even if not deemed hostile itself can hardly expect much support from the west.
Finally with the ongoing destruction of Russian assets far from Ukraine and that country’s access to more capable weapons than at the beginning of the war means that Russia although certainly not out for the count is taking losses in ways that it wasn’t when the war began and thus Armenia should contingency plan for the prospect of Russia loosing and the changes this will impose, it’s possible that they may win but worth considering the prospect that they might not. After all who in 1940 thought it would end the way it did for Germany in 1945?
Charlie, “integrity and dignity” comes with professing the truth. But, I realize that truth and honesty has no place in your Russophobic narrative.
@Charles
Wilsonian Armenia was not “a proposed entity that failed to gain international support”. It was a boundary configuration of Armenia in accordance with the Treaty of Sèvres. As such, the treaty and its provision regarding Armenia, as a binding international agreement, must have enjoyed support of its signatories, Britain being one of them. In no way could Britain’s assigning NK to Azerbaijan mean “the end of the entity”, because Britain handed this historically Armenian region to the Caucasian Tatars in the final phase of the war, two years before the Wilsonian Armenia configuration came to the fore. When, in 1918, the Army of Islam, composed of Turks and Caucasian Tatars, penetrated areas around Karabakh, destroying Armenian villages and killing the Armenians in the mountain range between Karabakh and Zangezur, British General William Thomson urged General Andranik Ozanian not to enter Karabakh, promising a favourable, pro-Armenian arrangement at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919. Andranik trusted Thomson, and withdrew. As a result, Karabakh with its autochthonous Armenian population remained Azerbaijani throughout the pre-Soviet and Soviet period, all dating from Andranik’s trust of the word of a British officer. Read your own historian Christopher Walker, if you will, “Armenia: The survival of a nation”. In the nutshell, Britain has never been on Armenia’s side.
Arabo, thank you for the history lesson. It will be ignored or whitewashed by Charlie because it simply does not fit into his prewritten narrative. Isn’t it interesting how Stalin gets all the blame for what the British actually did? In any case, I don’t blame the British for doing what they did, they were simply doing what was in their interest. Who I blame is General Andranik and Armenians in general. The problem lies inwith us.
I can’t agree more. As for the poster, Charles, well, “my country, right or wrong” has always been the political acumen of the British and their view of international issues.