Opinion
Bedrosyan: A Series of Firsts in Armenian-Turkish Relations
During the third week of October several firsts were accomplished in Turkey, with respect to the future of Turkish-Armenian relations, the significance of which will be more apparent in the coming months and years. Naturally, every precedent-setting event is the result of many years of hard work and determination in overcoming equally hard circumstances and mindsets.
The largest Armenian church in the Middle East, Surp Giragos of Dikranagerd/Diyarbakir, became the first Armenian church in Ana
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Looks like TARC II to me.
This all sounds wonderful, but there is still a lot of animosity against Armenians by the Turkish nationalists and Turkish government. How are they going to undo the years of negative propaganda and Armenian bashing by the Turks. It is funny, as soon as the Turks throw a bone everyone sits on their hind legs and starts waging their tails. Stand up and face the Turks like a man and demand to be treated as equals with the Muslims.
Checklist
Dialogue
Books
Movies
International pressure
Genocide recognition
Assassinations
Memorials
Demonstrations
zzzzzzz…
Ninety six years.
One church museum.
One candle-lit church.
Earth quakes.
Heart aches.
Land of hate
Heaven’s gate.
1.5 million souls wait.
Dialogue not based on fear nor victimhood but based on commonolity of Truth, Justice, Mutual well being and not an inch less.
Armenians are traumatized enough to “pass” on the generous invitation to play psychoanalyst to Turks who stand by their “narrative.” Serious mental health professionals advise against that sort of dialogue. Note to the “reconciliation psychoanalysts”: “never counsel the abuser and victim together. It puts the victim in more danger and gives the abuser more power.” Read THE ANATOMY OF ABUSE by George Rolf.
“Much ado about nothing” would say Shakespeare.The problem in this case is that that a bunch of people with self proclaimed roles to promote “dialogue” with Turkey have gone on a “good will” trip believing that their initiative is good for Armenian-Turkish relations. If these people represent Turkish-Armenians with concerns of or interests in Armenian issues in Turkey, I do not have a problem with that.It is their right and duty as citizens of Turkey to do so and I am glad that they are able to connect with people ib authority there . However, to extend their action to Armenian-Turkish relations in general, that is a tall order. Unfortunately from time to time we seem to have people in the diaspora who spring to action on matters of pan-national issues that go beyond their competence and capability to bring transformational change in any relationship and do long term damage because they can not deliver.
The attrocities did happen we need to bow to the memory of the dead, not forget the past BUT move to the future and build a greater communities and greater Armenia that can be bigger than its neighbours!
I absolutely understand the reluctance, pessimism, and anger of many in our community, including myself. I clearly remember the fear my family felt growing up in bolis not being able to speak armenian on the streets, not able to wear your crucifix in public for fear of retaliation and violence were real fears 4o years ago as they may be today. these small but significant steps are real and we should embrace them. only turks can heal themselves of the hatred and xenophobia but we can be the catalysts to that healing. Hrant Dink words are for humanity and was murdered for them. we should honor him by carrying on his legacy of understanding.
Turks or Kurds admiting what happened would not even be concievable when we lived there. this is a big F…n deal in my book.
Fully agree with Arek. As for Hamasdegh, this is the 21st century and the age of social media where any citizen is in the centre of global, national policy making. An individual does NOT need a collective mandate to express his/her view, and act upon his/her beliefs. Armenian diaspora suffers from ‘tyranny of majority’. I would have joined these Turkish Armenians myself. Lets get on with life and build the future.
During my business trip I do see serious liberal shift in Turkish mentality, driven by a healthy intellectual cadre who are not always in sinc with the right wing nationalists. They are our partners in dialogue and reform.
Sounds like Turkey tapping into the Armenians to enrich their already well marketed tourism business.
Yes, this is all positive and a huge change of direction, which can only be appreciated in a big way. As the good doctor says, heal thyself. I think Turkey is finally getting around to taking those steps. More than anything, I have to think the collective guilt felt in Turkey in the period after Hrant Dink’s assassination provided a great amount of momentum for reflection and self- examination across the country. Armenians need and should be on good terms with Turks and Turkey, and vice versa. The synergy of a thousand years was pushed off course in 1915, but can be restored, much like Surp Giragos.
“synergy of a thousand years”? Give me a break. Occupation, oppressive taxation, lack of rights (forbidden to testify in courts, serve in the army, etc.), subject to systematic looting by Kurds and Circassians with willful negligence by the state, massacres after massacres….some “synergy” indeed.
This is a dangerous and false talking point. It leads many neural observers to wonder “hmm…if Armenians and Turks lived so well together for centuries, it doesn’t seem plausible that Turks would suddenly want to exterminate their neighbors, whom they had treated as co-equals for all that time. Probably the Armenians rebelled.”
Armenians were viewed as a problem population for centuries. For centuries. Please be a little bit strategic here, Karekin.
Give me a break Karekin. What synergy? What is synergistic about ethnic cleansing? Today Zarakolu sits in a Turkish prison and the mayor of Diyarbekir faces charges that could result in many years in prison because Turks still do not know how to govern synergistically.
Synthesize this: We would be foolish to believe that those who waved the “We are Hrant Dink” posters are really ready to embrace the dark truth of Turkish history and make restitution to the Armenians. Changes are happening slowly, but with every step forward another vile Turkish nationalist slips behind a corner, cocks his rifle and waits to derail the progress. Be on guard.
Some people believe that Armenians are stuck in the past,with the memories of 1915 and that they should get over it and move on… They keep telling us that Turkey has changed and that they have met people there who are different than the ones we care to visualize.
As far as I am concerned the people who think so are free to move on , as others have done so before them in our past . Either they don’t understand what happened or are unwilling to understand the cost that the Armenian nation paid for the murderous and villainous actions of those who were acting on behalf of the Ottoman Empire. Recently,newspapers reported that the case of Natalie Wood ,an American actress, was re-opened 30 years after her death because justice thought there were new elements to consider in her accidental death. Just imagine the death of one person makes the headlines in the US while her family and sister rightly continue to seek justice. So go and tell Natalie Woods’ sister to move on… One death is too many so imagine the one and half million who perished and who have not gotten their day in court.So asking Armenians to move on and forget that one and half million Armenians suffered a horrendous death at the hands of Ottoman Turks in 1915 without getting justice, is tantamount to committing that murder again.Ignorance of facts is not permissible , and denial of facts does not make you a better person .Such people do not have the right to write off the national loss because for some reason or the other they think they are above the fray or that the past does not affect them the way it has affected the rest of us.For those who sympathize with Turkey because they were born there, that is their problem. For those who think official Turkey has changed, I have got news for them. I wonder whether they have dealt with them in official capacity.Some of us have done so in official capacity and we know better.
what is dialogue? If it simply means that flows of utterances goes between people, any kind of exchange of insults may be called dialogue. This is not dialogue. Then one may decide to listen to each others and not insult each others. This may be termed the first stage of dialogue. But why should it lead to any result? Then one may focus on the psychological and humanist aspect. We should se the other as a human being, respect each others, and so on, in addition to beling polite. Yes, this may be called the second stage. But if Turks go on believing that the deportations and massacres of Armenians during WWl were unfortunate happenings despite the will of the government, and Armenians go on believing that there existed a scheme of extermination that was put into operation, they may respect each others, not insult each others, but still not arrive at any common understanding. Is there another stage? Yes, if both parties actually relate honestly to the arguments of the other, referring to them in an exact way, and moreover explicitly adopt the standard procedures of fact finding and explanation goven in textbooks on methodology. But it is to my mind easy to show that neither party does this today. both parties are eager to engage in “truth rhetorics” aiming at creating and upholding consensus within one’s own camp. So where is the dialogue? Is it taking place anywhere? —-Possibly the positive developments are not found in the words spoken in the dialogue, but in the gradual convergence of the points of view. And there has been a gradual convergence in the course of the last 20 years. Convergence even if the parties do not concede that they changed their assertions over the years. Slow, but it is there.
“the gradual convergence of the points of view.” anyone expects the Armenians to drop a hint of doubt over the existence of a Turkish state extermination scheme that was put into operation?! Only knuckleheads can go on believing that 2 million people were forcefully deported from several provinces of a country and summarily executed, burnt, buried alive, mutilated, tortured, and left die in deserts, while statesmen were sipping Turkish coffee on the Bosphorus shore. Only knuckleheads or Turkish sympathizers or unimpressive mind-tilters can do so.
A legislative bill criminalizing denial of the Armenian Genocide is ratified today by the National Council of Slovakia. Anyone in Slovakia or a Slovak citizen in any country who denies the Armenian Genocide will be punished with imprisonment of up to 5 years.
After rejection to adopt a legislative bill criminalizing the Armenian Genocide denial in May of 2011, the French Senate has returned the bill back to its agenda this Monday.
One thing that I have learnt from my activism in Europe,conferences ,Congresses,Armenian professional groups,etc.,alsoparticipating as presenting my ¨paper¨ and …(plesae forgive me..) being elected by some 378 people to temporary executive Board of World armenian Congress that convened Sept.3/6,1979.is:-
Turkish so called journalist did always show up at these and closely surveyed, eyed us as an (then)emerging Armenian Awakening.Later by and by to become a movement(s).
This, plus what has recently transpired,shall we say as of Hrant Dink murder in Bolis,goes to show that great Turkey is becoming conscious that BOTH Armenian and Kurdish (curses) so to say, pursue them, their memories,if they are either intellectuals and/or from the deep state(Gov.t officials).They have come to realize that by.-as an exmple now calling the k u r d s as ¨mountain turks¨ for over 60 years DID NOT BEAR FRUIT.Nor their arresting Ocalan and keeping him jailed.By the by now they have just done same with Diarbekir Mayor.
So one can surmise that they are playing hide and seek ,or if you wish tighten then loosen a bit. A game they are very good at. What should be our response/attitude to this new Turkish ¨changes¨ ..I ´d add , Camaleon like changes.Simple,there is no other:-
Those who are from Istanbulla(Bolis) or the interior of Turkey can indeed play along,since they know much better the Turkish raison détre, manner of being.
After all , like the soviet Armenians who lived alongside the ¨Yeghbayracac Azeris¨turned Armenian killers in Sumgait and Baku,proving that their gnes after those many yrs had not undergone shaping up …
Same might be true for their kin to the West of R.of Armenia. Howeverthey play along their tune8no any other way out) I mean the Bolsahyes whether in Turkey or like someonme above said uncalled for Diaspora ´Leaders¨¨to that effect. let them!!!
But have in view please THAT THE CORE OF ARMENITY IN DIASPORA ARE THE HEIRS OF THE REMNANTS OF THE G E N O C I D E ..
These/us we ahve a Different agenda, whether Tashnag,hnchag.Ramgavar or any other or non partisan.We DEMAND AND WISH FOR JUSTICE TO PREVAIL UPON US.We cannot asi por asi,just like this let go of the Legacy of our MARTYRS …..
Thence, we shall be observers and await to see what other such tighten and loosen games great Turkey has in store for us and the World at large to see.
Personally I think they have EXHAUSTED THEIR REAL DESIRES NOT GIVING FRUIT EITHER IN THE ISSUE OF EU ENTRY NOR BOSSING OVER THE ARAB WORLD ,OR IRAN AND ARE NOW TACKLING THE INTERIOR.That of Armenian kurdish issues,which by the by are also VERY BOTHERSOME TO THEM .As much as the oil alongside the Cyprus,that they hav e eyes on, or even mosul oil etc.Knowing full well that those are real tough ones to be dealt with easily.
We diasporan , have also our own problems that of :In order that we have ONE VOICE one Supreme Council, ought to get a move on. Thus:-
Our Bishiops,Bosses and bnmefactors the BBB´s(as Ara Baliozian ,Canadian writer refers to) should by and by give way to new blood new activists and above all people with networking capacity and THINK OF BOTH HUMAN RESOURCES AND ECONOMIC POWER.Without whcih a few here there people acting INDEPENDENTLY, bodes BAD.