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1. Watch out Armenians because the Turks will do this to Armenia if they get the chance.

   • Nah, we murder Armenians, we don’t force them out.

2. Lois the Greek , relax my brother , they have done all that and more to the Armenians . There is no need to introduce Turks to us .

3. There is no hope for Turk society until all these murderers and liars are long dead. Their society has a tinge of Western values and that ‘s it. This is the best Moslem democracy in the ME. I’ll pick the worst Christian nation.

   • K. Have fun in the DR Congo.

4. Speaking of Istanbul…

5. My father was in Alepo ‘s orphenege . He was suffering in his all life. He new that Turks invade to their house and kill mother father 4 uncles grand moms , grand pas . He was fortunate they didn’t kill him .because of American orphenege took him and brought him with a lot of kids to Alepo. In my place were we live , every year we go for demonstration to UN Building to remomerate April 24, they used to have the posters written “we did and will do it again. I really don’t understand . Who are this people . Murderers I would call. I wish I could write more about them. My English is not so well.

   • Now the Kurds will face Genocide with NATO weapons, while again the world does nothing

   • Kurds and Turks are equally guilty of genocide of Armenians. They are not innocent bystanders.

6. I guess some things never change. There’s that old saying, “A red cow never changes it’s color”
   The same thing happened to Armenians in Sumgait and Baku-Azerbaijan as recently as 1988. There is something truly disheartening in the Turkish cultural heritage that allows itself to repeat such things continuously throughout history while they try hard to convince other cultures that they are civilized. Just look at the response from one of the Turks (RVDV) on this page.

   • RVDV is a regular poster here and he wasn’t advocating murdering Armenians. He has been honest about Turkish history, including the genocide, and he’s being sarcastically honest about it. He’s also prone to point out hipocracy from some Armenian posters which I tend to agree with.

   • I do not know which one of RVDV’s posts in this thread you are referring to. Perhaps this: “Nah, we murder Armenians, we don’t force them out.”

     If you had read his posts for any length of time, you would have known that sentence was written in sarcasm. He is saying that, unlike the Kristallnacht in Turkey, Armenians in fact were not just driven out, but were murdered en mass by Turks – Genocide*.

     Although it appears to be threat at first glance, it is not.
     Quite the opposite: RVDV is again reminding his fellow Turks, those who are Denialists, what their ancestors have done to Armenians (and others).

     As to {“…disheartening in the Turkish cultural heritage”}

     You have a point there. There seems to be something in the super-majority of Turks (but certainly not all).
     In fact, I read a very interesting article in a (mildly nationalist) Turkish news site, Hurriyet Daily News.
     Written by the editor of HDN, a Turk.
     It’s a long article, but I will reproduce a couple of interesting paragraphs:

     {Our genes must have gone through mutations while we were traveling on horseback from Central Asia to Anatolia. It’s a long ride. Something must have gone wrong along the way. I think we are mutant Turks. Like Ninja turtles. We are like a lab accident.
     First of all – sorry for the repetition – we carry the “killer DNA” in our souls.}

     {We have persistently reserved that killer gene for centuries. Even though we do not conquer and fight in the battlefield anymore, we have the mutant killer gene and its sub-gene that protects the murderer.We have special respect and a secret love for the murderer.}

     One item I disagree with: I don’t think there was a mutation during travel. I think those Turkic tribes that ended up in Caucasus, and Armenian Highlands, and Asia Minor had it in them from the get go.

     —-
     * read his post here:
     http://armenianweekly.com/2014/11/25/turkish-scholar-affirms-turkey-lost-battle-truth/

7. Dear Ms Uzay Bulut,

   Wonderful article, my greetings to you!

   I would like to ask you to convey, if possible, this message to one of commenters, Araksi Nalbandian:

   Dear Ms Araksi, you mention about demonstration & posters by UN building “We did it, we’ll do it again”.
   If you have, could you please send me a link to a publication, photos of those demonstration and slogans.
   I would like to use them in my publication.
   I would highly appreciate it.

   Best wishes,
   Plamen

8. GREEKS were the main victims and the primary targets!!! ALSO

   “The American consulate estimates that 59% of the businesses were Greek-owned, 17% were Armenian-owned, 12% were Jewish-owned, 10% were Muslim-owned; while 80% of the homes were Greek-owned, 9% were Armenian-owned, 3% were Jewish-owned, and 5% were Muslim-owned.”

9. This must never be forgotten. A man who lived through it as a boy described it to me. He could not finish his description.

   Peter Hyatt

10. I was in high school in SF when we had a free reading day. I got a copy of Time and sat down and thumbed through it. On one page there was a minuscule reference to the pogrom that happened in Turkey. What really pissed me off, in the article, was what happened in the Armenian cemetery when the bodies were exhumed by the ravaging mobs to get to the gold in the teeth of the skeletons. Don’t forget that the whole shameful episode was state sanctioned and led by Menderes. Naturally, the article was missable because America has been avoiding speaking of Turkish miss deeds for decades. This I’m sure will end soon as more and more states in our country are recognizing the Armenian Genocide.
    Ellen

11. The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing-John Locke

    • Very true. But Edmund Burke said it (not Locke).

    • Regardless of who stated that particular line, it goes real well with Turkey, Israel, and Azerbaijan. In other words, these three evil, terrorist states continuously go unpunished for their horrific crimes.

12. “If Turkey aims to be a respected member of the international community and remain an ‘ally’ of the West, there are certain duties that the Turkish state should fulfill.”

    But yet, in that particular “list of duties” underneath that particular paragraph, the author of this article mentions nothing about Turkey’s duty to compensate the Armenian Nation for all the properties and money stolen from the Armenian population of the former Ottoman Turkish Empire (which today would amount to over three trillion dollars), nor does she mention anything about compensating the Armenian Nation for the 1.5 million victims of the Armenian Genocide. What about returning back the stolen Western Armenian provinces to the Armenian Nation? She mentions nothing about that in her article.

    “Hence, this pogrom should be viewed as a continuation of the long-established policy of discrimination by the Ottoman and Turkish governments against their non-Muslim communities.”

    Yes, this is certainly true. But, what about the long-established policy of discrimination by the Turkish government (which includes numerous pogroms) against the Muslim Kurdish population of eastern Turkey? The author of this article, never talks about that. Isn’t it obvious why? Well, if she were to mention this, then it would automatically debunk her continuous claim that Islam has been the reason behind Turkey’s extreme persecution of its minorities. Therefore, what has been the reason behind Turkey’s extreme persecution of its minorities? The answer is Turkification, just like it was during the era of the former Ottoman Turkish Empire.

13. We need more of this: https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/2017/11/19/greeces-leonidis-bids-farewell-to-friend-and-rival-naim-suleymanoglu-at-funeral

    As a Canadian, back in the day, I would shake hands with any fellow lifter, whatever country he was from; I hope to think I’d do the same were I born to Turkish parents.

    As a man, I find Turkish and Greek women very attractive; they don’t look so different to me — most of them have black hair, this Eurasian light-bronze whitish complexion and sombre eyes that seem to look at you from homeric depths of time.

    I am filled with unspeakable sorrow, just to think how terrible this all was for a young Greek/Turkish man who was in love with a girl from his school and she happened to be Turkish/Greek.

    There is a woman I write to who lives in Thessaloniki; I would love her all the same if she were from Istanbul. Pax vobiscum (Latin for “Peace be with you”).

14. I have learned a lot from this article. What a savagery…The turkish menace of war is ever present…

15. These days, Germany, while America looks the other way, is pushing Greece – an EU member state – to negotiate with Erdogan, Turkey’s budding Hitler, its maritime rights – provided by the international law of the sea – and its sovereignty in order to avoid a war. I wish that there would be a way for every German and American to read this article.

    I would like to add a quotation from a recent article of the Turkish historian Taner Akcam. [https://ahvalnews.com/hagia-sophia/turkeys-test-civilization?fbc ]
    “The places where the Ottoman has set his foot have not flourished”, the places where the Turk has stepped “have withered and died.” “The Ottoman rulers have done nothing with the places they have conquered other than to raze and destroy, to blight.”
    The things that have been done—that are still being done, are the product of nothing less than the unrestrained exercise of power; of a ravenous appetite for destruction.
    The Erdoğan-Bahçeli partnership (and we can just as easily add Patriotic Party (VP) head Doğu Perinçek) represents this tradition of destruction that has razed Anatolia, that has not only deported and liquidated whole peoples, but also destroyed their cultural heritage and attempted to erase all trace of them.

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