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Thank you Armenian Weekly for covering our letter.
No, Ms. Günaysu: we Armenians ought to Thank You.
A thousand times.
God willing, someday women and men like you, ethnic Turks, will be in charge of the country of Turkey. Then we, Turks and Armenians, can live as good, peaceful neighbors.
Dear Ayşe,
History is our best teacher, denying AG is a crime against humanity!
Thank you Ayse and HRA for persistently shining light on the darkness.
Indeed Avery. Well said. When women and men of Gunaysu’s and Zarakolou’s calibre are in charge in Turkey – when the values of Human Rights Association of Turkey have become the dominant values of Turkish society “then we, Turks and Armenians, can live as good, peaceful neighbours”. That day will come!
Meanwhile eternal shame and damnation on the illogical, inhuman, ahistorical and utterly biased decision of the ECHR until its repeal and reversal.
Dear Öztürk Türkdoğan, Ayşe Günaysu and Human Rights Association,
Thank you for informing us of Doğu Perinçek’s background. Not shocking, even though still hard to read about such people and their hate driven mindset and actions.
This is valuable information to those who choose to use this court case to question the Armenian genocide. The and his friends denying Armenians’ contributions to the Ottoman empire questions their understanding of the genocide.
€€€€€€…$$$$$$$$$ corruption is everywhere
Dear Ayse,like so many Armenians I am very much moved after reading the above letter written by Human Rights Activists of Turkey.As long as there are courageous people like you ,we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
The sad irony is that Perincek may have substantial Armenian heritage according to press accounts. Like the Jew ashamed of his heritage, DP climbs the Turkish ladder by leading the Genocidal hatred against his own people. No wonder he admires Talaat, who would have murdered his parents if given the chance.
Yeah you’d think the head (or former head, sentenced to life through Ergenekon) of this so-called social democrat/socialist Workers Party would be more progressive as this is supposed to be a liberal party. Nope. Not in Turkey.
Dogu Perincek was born in Gaziantep. Most likely he would be of Kurdish, or possibly Syrian ancestry (due to Gaziantep’s proximity to Iskenderun region).
Adnan,
My California Armenian Church is full of Aintab Armenians. Learn your Armenian history. Read houshmadyan.org for wonderful material concerning pre Genocide daily life.
Avery has written “No, Ms. Günaysu: we Armenians ought to Thank You. A thousand times.”
This is totally inappropriate. Uncalled for. Offensive.
Why, such a huge “thank you” ?
Because a Genocide is being acknowledged ?! 100 years later…
This type of reaction is just indecent. Pathetic.
“A thousand times”, thank you ?
Why not 1.5 million times, while you’re at it… Think, what it would mean…
In fact, Mrs. Ayşe Günaysu was not asking for any such thank-you.
On the contrary, she was rightfully thanking us for being magnanimous enough to accept the admission and contrition of Turks.
Get at grip, Armenians…
And by the way : you’re welcome, Ms. Günaysu.
Haytoug Chamlian, Montreal
Adnan,
My California Armenian Church is full of Aintab Armenians. Learn your Armenian history. Read houshmadyan.org for wonderful material concerning pre Genocide daily life.
Baron Shamlian,
The most charitable thing I can say about your post is that ignorance propelled you, because no informed person could have written it.
Ayse Gunaysu does more on a day for justice and Armenians than I will do in a lifetime. Every day for decades Tirkish nationalists working for the deep state threaten her life.
If you do 1 per cent as much as she does for humanity, you’re a hero.
I doubt you do.
If we do not have hatred against Turkish people, it is thanks to you and all your friends, women and men.
You save through your courage, honor and conscience of your country.
Haytoug Shamlian has written:
{“ This is totally inappropriate. Uncalled for. Offensive.”}
You are easily offended, pal: your problem.
“Uncalled for” ? Didn’t ask for your advice: I can write whatever I want and whatever AW moderators let me publish.
Your irrational reaction is what is indecent and pathetic.
So _you_ get a grip.
Now let us deconstruct your emotional outburst:
You are obviously unfamiliar with who Ms. Günaysu is.
You can read her several articles @AW and get a firm grip of what she has done and does for our Cause.
But in addition to her articles, and her on-the-ground work in Turkey, I was privileged to be present when Ms. Günaysu spoke at the Western ANCA Grassroots in November 2011 in California.
The very personal sacrifices she has made to take the path she has taken – in Denialist Turkey – is not widely known, since she does not discuss it in her articles.
It should be obvious even to you that Ms. Günaysu has gone over and above the “call of duty” of mere ‘admission and contrition’: she lives in Turkey while at the same time openly, actively, relentlessly confronting the fascist, nationalist, Denialist Turkish State. Placing herself at great risk of being jailed or worse.
Refresh your grip on how one Mr. Ragıp Zarakolu, who also lives in Turkey, has been hounded, jailed, and terrorized by the Denialist State most of his life. Just yesterday a bunch of Turkish ultranationalist psychopaths were marching in Istanbul with a banner that said:
““Hooray for Ogün Samast! Down with Hrant Dink! “
That is the country Ms. Günaysu and Mr. Ragıp Zarakolu live in.
Every day.
In case you still haven’t gotten a grip of what I tried to convey to you in this post: I was not thanking Ms. Günaysu for acknowledging the AG.
I was thanking her for going far beyond the acknowledgement; far beyond what I would expect from an ordinary, private Turk and citizen of Turkey.
You find that ‘indecent and pathetic’ ? Fine with me, pal: could not care less.
So Ms. Günaysu: Thank You again a thousand times, and a thousand times more.
Dear Avery et al,
I am surprised..really surprised that some people immediately thank and praise people such a s Ackcam,Gunaysu and a few more …Like..a few flowers in a huge field of poppies(opium plants-flowers)
Indeed , it is good but what has been the response from good old great Turkey..other than having a few judges here and there well stuffed with bakshish and set them up against us.
Today ,one RA TV channel showed how the old activist from abroad with a lady accompanying him were trying to collect 5000(at least) more votes or signatures rather in order to over-rule the decision by that SUBLIME Court….
And the lady did mention that in communitties of Armenians now 7 million strong and 3 million in RA, we are here so as the haireni(Homeladn) people will also participate and sign some 5000 more….
I tell you,unless our people wakes up from its ¨¨Tmbir¨ siesta-like sleep, we cannot forge ahead. No coordination no FUND,i.e. a Mother Fund .Fundlings aplenty, activist here and there from this that political party or independent ones..indeed many many independent ones like muchrroms popping up everydayu..no getting together to form RANK AND FILE<..
forget it
Bravo Ms Gunaysu and co. hope your voices multiply ,not thousand fold but millions fold in order that great Turkey will come down from the donkey she is riding(a Persian saying that)
You have not understood an iota of why I expressed, Avery.
Nothing at all.
So, continue with your “deconstructing”, etc., and good luck with all that cerebral mumbo-jumbo.
You seem to be a “professional” of Hay Tad.
I am not – thank God – .
Yes, I am a bit emotional about the Genocide. Sorry about that. It’s very lame, I know…
One hundred years later, an infinitesimal, an insignificant proportion of Turks are just starting to acknowledge what was inflicted upon our parents and grand-parents and what we have been enduring subsequently, and you deem appropriate to fall on your knees, in a state of awe, endless admiration and devotion, and to kiss their… ankles for that.
I guess that is the incurable state of mind of genocide survivors…
Haytoug
P.S. I am sure that Mrs. Günays understood me better than you. She is not the problem, here, anyways.
Haytoug:
We can go back and forth about who understood what till the proverbial cows come home.
My posts and yours in this thread are there for all to see and read.
It is clear who understood what and how much.
Mr. Palandjian:
I specifically thanked Ms. Günaysu, and mentioned Mr. Zarakolu in a long post: no mention of Dr. Akcam in my post.
And I explained, as much as feasible, why I was thanking Ms. Günaysu.
If you are still surprised after my explanation, than you are surprised: tomorrow is another day.
I wonder if there are such groups in Armenia, who could stand up against its government, demand recognition of Khojaly Genocide, demand freeing of occupied Azerbaijani territories… I doubt… I really doubt. But just think about this.
I wonder if there are such groups in Armenia, who could stand up against its government, demand recognition of Khojaly Genocide, demand freeing of occupied Azerbaijani territories… I doubt… I really doubt. But just think about this.
I wonder if there are such groups in Azerbaijan, who could stand up against its government, demand recognition of Sumgait Genocide, and Baku Genocide, and Genocide of all Armenians in Azerbaijan and in the Karabakh republic where civilians were targeted with missiles, pregnant Armenian women hunted down in hospitals and thrown out windows in Baku, Armenian civilians pursued by savages with swords and daggers in Sumgait, and some of them burned alive in the streets… and demand freeing more of occupied Armenian territories… I doubt… I really doubt. But just think about this.
well said [Hagop D].
Khojaly was executed by azeri opposition atc the time(in short)All know that.Even I can quote(pretty soon) a Brit who attests to that.
As to ¨¨occupied ¨ lands. YOUR PEOPLE ARE STILL IN MY MOTHERLAND,NAKHIJEVAN.Plus to that Shaumian must be liberated as well by Armenian freedom fighters.That will come …
We wait to see what your regime does FIRST!!!
Rashid, and I wonder if Turkic tribes know about the reality of Armenian Highlands, where Mongol turks wipe the entire indigenous Christian people of Asia Minor…those 613 killed in Khojali, created by KGB man, named Heidar Aliyev, in order to secure his son permanent dictatorial regime, who successfully overthrown his opponents and installed a corrupted Sultanate for his only beloved dummy son named Ilham.
I wonder why world don’t label the reality of 30000 killed Kurdish civilians as Kurdish Genocide of Turkey!!
To use the word “genocide” to describe Khojaly is a profound insult to the meaning of the word and the immense social, political, emotional ramifications it carries. Khojaly was tragic, but it was no different the usual sporadic fighting that went on during the Karabagh conflict. Why, for one, should Khojaly be remembered and not Maragagh, an identical event with the roles reversed? There is no reason to distinguish Khojaly from all of the terror and violence Armenians and Azerbaijanis faced in the months and years before and after that event. Khojaly is a tremendous tool in the spreading of anti-Armenian propaganda in Azerbaijan, and especially in Turkey.
{“..all of the terror and violence Armenians and Azerbaijanis faced in the months and years before and after that event.”}
What terror and violence did Azerbaijanis face in the months before and years after the event ?
At whose hands ?
What ‘terror’ are you talking about ?
Who terrorized whom ?
Welcome to AW, btw.
Most welcome. (…did it get too hot for you @Asbarez ?)
lol Avery, now that you mentioned it, it does seem to be a strange statement to include Azerbaijanis in that statement. I did not read much into it, as I thought he/she might have meant Azeris facing “terror and violence” by their own government. I don’t know how ‘Armenian’ generally writes, but I hope he/she was not suggesting Armenians were responsible.
Armenian,
Contrary to the evidence given by Human Rights Watch, and Memorial Human Rights Center, which suggest the possibility of 161-200 Azeri civilians being massacred by Armenian soldiers in Khojaly in February of 1992, these parties never actually witnessed such an incident. So, as a result, these parties are in no position to claim that Armenian soldiers committed a massacre against Azeri civilians in Khojaly. As a matter of fact, you should check out the “Khojaly” section, over on: http://www.nkrusa.org/nk_conflict
It contains a large amount of evidence which convincingly shows that the Azeri soldiers murdered their own civilians, and then attempted to frame the Armenian soldiers for this particular massacre.
Armenian,
That’s true, and the problem is, Khojaly being a “genocide” will not fly in a million years because it has no basis in reality, which basically shows the extent of desperation the Turk/Azeri turanists have to “have their own genocide” to use against Armenia in a pitiful display of an attempt to reverse roles.
Turkey itself loves it despite looking foolish and ridiculous, because somehow it does distract from the real Genocide they perpetrated against Armenians. Denying the Armenian Genocide is one shame, and the arrogant claim of “Khojali genocide” only increases that shame.
Haytoug,
Many of us are admittedly frustrated with Turks and their predominant ignorant state of Genocide denial, but as the Chinese say, the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. And as the infinitesimal minority of Turks take this step, we don’t need to bow down to them, but at least we can show our appreciation for them being courageous enough to side with the truth. It does not mean we will ever stop our demand for justice.
Avery,
In my above post w/rgd to the liberal Turks and sympathizers with us,if you read it carefully will see there is ¨encouragement ¨ on my behalf, rather thanks repeated thanks and thanks by some here.
I do not believe though their VOICES will be allowed to be multiplied by the millions…that needs to be seen.When indeed their regime has made a U Turn and democracy adopted…
Keep hoping for that with a dozen tulips is hardly possible.
MEANWHILE, what is happening on the int´l political scene (Ref.Ukrian)is rather a s i t u a t i o n!!!
I hope to God almighty Armenia will not follow FURTHER in that path.RA needs to be like Iran,Switzerland Finland etc., just to name a few. No siding with any of those.It is possible.If Rusia cutts off gas to RA, Iran will be a supplier.If Aid is not forthcoming from West then China could give us a hand.
We must learn to be like those countries I just mentioned….
This part for higher Int´l politics.
Take care…
Armenians must be so desperate that they will allow themselves to be patronized by a vulturous ex-leftist-rebel-left-without-cause. As the saying in that movie goes: “Show me the money!!” Empty words such as Ms. Günaysu’s are just said … empty. It is actually worse … was it not enough that her people had killed yours in millions, you will now allow your tragedy to be used as a means she and her likes uses to aggrevate their own state? You see, the Soviets created her likes in Turkey. And then they left. So what are these poor lefts are going to do? Who are they going to fight against? Hmm, nobody … pursed lips. So, what is the next best worst thing? Needle the State with Armenian genocide “acceptance”. Ms. Günaysu, if you feel so strongly about human rights, why don’t you write and complain about the plight of 600,000 Azeris made homeless by Armenian aggression? I know why. That is not contrarian enough. You say you want to change Turkey. Who is visiting and publishing on Armenian (not Turkish) Weekly is going to do that? Unless it is the pats on the back that you seek.
Regarding:
Haytoug Shamlian // February 25, 2014 at 1:02 pm
‘This is totally inappropriate. Uncalled for. Offensive. Avery has written “No, Ms. Günaysu: we Armenians ought to Thank You. A thousand times.” ‘
To Haytoug Shamlian: Avery has very appropriately recognized not only Ayse Gunaysu’s physical heroism given the real threats to her well being from her own government for her clear, articulate, deeply morally rooted analysis of the Armeno-Turkish conundrum, but he has also honored her for her spiritual courage and boldness in rising above–far above–the pull of primitive tribal loyalty. She sets a very high example. No one can equal her eloquent, nuanced analysis of what is wrong between Turks and Armenians. If you want to cut the likes of her from your reading list, welcome to your intellectual desert! May she always have a safe place at AW. We should all be very grateful for her deep and conscientious contributions.
Thanks.
@ Avery and Hakob,
I was not suggesting Armenians are responsible, but I was referring to ethnic tensions and overall warfare between the peoples at the time. It is important to remember that the not all of the Azeris in Baku rejoiced in the violence going on against Armenians. Many of them protected them, and they too found it unpleasant. As far as terror goes, I was referring to war in general, not Khojaly. Emotional suffering exists for both sides.
And no, Avery, Asbarez did not become “too hot to handle”– as someone who cares deeply for Armenia and its future, there is no way I am going to take a back seat for things that I care about, no matter how “hot” it gets.