Groundbreaking Conference Confronts Genocide in Diyarbakir

thanks Khatchig, enjoyed reading this

J’ai été très heureuse de lire cet événement à Diyarbékir. Les participants étaient tous d’accord pour rendre à la municipalité l’atmosphère de fraternté qui y régnait au début du 20ème siècle entre tous leshabitants quelles que soient leur natinalité et leur religion.
C’est un grand pas en avant et ce serait encore mieux si d’autres villes imitaient le bel exemple de Diyarbakir !  merci pour cebeau compte-rendu !

This was Amida. The site of the real Tigranakert is located to the east near Silvan. I doubt that any part of the properties of my great-grandfather, the largest Armenian landowner in the vilayet, or that of my grandparents will be returned to my immediate family. Unscrupulous conservative Armenian-American attorneys and their clients,wealthy distant cousins, will gobble up anything that the Kurdish administration decides to return. The Armenian oligarchy exists not only in the Republic of Armenia but across the globe.

There are many conferences like this in other Turkish cities but Armenian Weekly totally ignores them if they are not organized by Kurds. So you love Kurds so much. Alright, but don’t forget that the lands you  Armenians claim are occupied by Kurds. When you tell them you want Van back, I’m curious what Kurds’ reaction will be. We have bigger plans like becoming a top 10 economy, you can have fun with Kurds.

Caravans coming from the Palu, Havav, Oughnut area all ended in Diyarbakir. Anyone somehow still alive was murdered there. This is a nation build on the bones of  murdered Christian martyrs. Of course Turkey blocked live coverage. It’s how they attempt to block truth, not only from their own poplulation, but from the world. They throw writers in prison for the same reason. This includes Nobel Prize winners. Stepan is correct; the deniers are living in a nightmare. Technology is making it difficult for them to continue their charade. As Turks become better educated, they become more insistant on truth. Yes, Stepan, there are sure signs of a renaissance. And it’s gathering speed. It’s unstoppable.

Given that Armenia has the population of a small town, while Turkey has more than73 million inhabitants, and given that Azerbaijan “expelled” Armenans, and in return, Armenia expelled Azerbaijanis, it is no wonder that there are not so many Kurds, Jews, in tiny underpopulated Armenia now – and economic conditions are not very attractive. But the real percentage of non Armenians is probably higher than the percentage of Armenians, Greeks and Ayssyrians in their ancerstral lands in what is now Turkey. This conference is really heartening. I would like to know whether Gengiz Aktar’s, Ali Bayramoglu’s and Baskin Oran’s speech evolved in the past year. I was told that Baskin Oran’s speech was wonderful. What was the language of the conference?
Thanks for the report, anyway. I must confess that when I was a child, I heard the word “Kurd” used as an insult addressed to males who behaved grossly and brutally. I am glad to see that a proportion of them are now much ahead of others, and have more ethics, more courage, and more respect for the other. It’s good to be rid of yet another cliché.

Turk-oglu Robert: when you can explain and justify this fact, then you can ask us to discuss ‘98% purity rate’  of RoA.
(BTW: What is that ? are Yezidis and Russians who are citizens of Armenia  ‘impure’  in your opinion ?)
 
 
Explain this:
 
 
Around  1915 Ottoman Turkey had 25% Christians (Armenian, Greek, Assyrian), and 75% Muslims.
In 2011 Turkey is: Muslim 99.8% (mostly Sunni), other 0.2% (mostly Christians and Jews)
 
 
Is that like 99.8%  ‘purity rate’  ?

Mert: Isn’t Diyarbakir in Turkey? Anyway, see here for coverage on Ankara conference: http://armenianweekly.com/2010/04/28/ankara-conference/

Mert,
              Your mentality is back to 1900 of Ottoman Empire.. CUP leaders released Turkish criminals, murderers, from jail houses… they became instant honorary Turkish gendarmes, Jihadists, Islamic Muftis, rapists, holy warriors, for their “mountain Turks” population, where together they successfully completed Christian Genocide of Turkey!! I wonder how much Mufti Amin Al Husseini. taught and shares his Genocidal experiences with Hitler and his faithful SS soldiers!!    

My  take on what´s going  on in great Turkey is as follows:-
After failing on various tries  to enter  EU,subsequent  efforts to somehow position herself as ¨guardian¨ or supervisor  over Arab countries (still endeavoring )has come to be more realistic on these two options,as not workable.
Thence like she  did near a century ago pulling  out(not to say being kicked  out ) of the Balkans,she is fast   at  work now, contemplating  and by and by altering her attitude towards solving  the k u r d i s h   issue(which is combined  with the Armenian one) employing  the old  Yavash Yavash  (by  and by) procdess  of softening up  her so far relentless stance with the  kurds. Fully aware  that next  to attend  to kis the Armenian Genocide  Recognition  and restitutions attached  thereof.
Hence, she  has devised  this new policy  of again going through Kurds ¨intermediary¨  shall we  say, in order to first making  it known to latter  that both of  these are to be solved somehow and best  way  is not by sword and firre.
I believe  Armenians  should be  more  than cautious,especially with  the k u r d s,since  land  that  used to bed Armenian is presently  MOSTLY  occupied  by  latter, rather than Turks. Very cunningly conjured  up plan  to go through this process  of appeasing both  kurds and Armenians,while  also -as  in the past-hoping  that  these two very old  -millenia  old- two enighbours  may end  up in hostile relations when actual  devkision  of land(read  property,real Estate, whatever) ensues. Nothing  of the sort  will happen though as  real protagonists ,as  has been already shown  with  the Diaarbakir case,shall we say, kurds  having  suffered  long  enough from   harsh Turkish rule and repented  what  they did to neighbour Armenians,instead  of aligning  themselves with them against  invador Mongol Seljuk Truks, now are quite well disposed towards Armenians.
I would think best  time  to act  now for especially Diaspora Armenians  is to strike up closer   contacts  with  the Kurdish establishments  in Europe and begin to negotiate both peace and carefully settle  amicably disputes  that  may arise from Land issues.As well as  compensation  to us Armenians, in order  that  our Nation/State,. plus  our (as  yet  not with head,but hopefully soon) Diaspora will be their good ally and supporter.
Time to act  is now for the Diaspora. I have  exhausted  myself  trying to get  a few  of you online to agree  that  we  need  MOBILIZATION  and a National Investment Trust  Fund ASAP- 

Good analysis Mr. Gaytzag Palandjian.

On  ‘As well as  compensation  to us Armenians,’: I think compensation  can be a negotiating chip with Kurds. However, as a community both in Turkey and Kurd Diaspora, I don’t believe they are that wealthy. As far as Kurds, the only thing we should practically want back are our  lands. Kurds can’t just disappear into thin air, so there has to be some give and take. There are some non-negotiables, such as Mount Ararat, vast access to the Black Sea, etc. However, in practice we have to give up some of our land claims vis-a-vis Kurds to have a peaceful and mutually beneficial resolution.

Avery
What an agreement. enjoy your mutual agreement 

Dear  Avery,
I admire  your  above response, critique and statements-to  John Turk-especially the middle and ¨penultimo¨ paragraphs. You are dead  right and I wish to  narrate,hope editor will allow  me, what I saw some 25  yrs ago on Rue Diu Prado ,Marseille  France on April 24.
The Huge parade,some ten thousand(for Marseilles,  is the Euro L.A. )marching, me and brother alongside  on the sidewalk..My God  these  Young Franco Armens  were shouting phrases  that I don´t recall to the Turks. by destiny  our main Church (six  more  in Marseille) is located  on Av. du prado , some   2/3oo meters from the Turkish Legation(more  than consulate) there, and when they were , the crowd  approaching to the Turkish legation  their voices  became  ever  more  louder and their looks towards same ferocious!!! Lucky for the Truks inside  that  there were French Army guards   upfront  of legation with sub  machines  guns  guarding   the bldg.Otherwise I can swear  that  these young  people would literally tear  down  the bldg  brick by brick,so much full fo REVANCHE  for  what  the Turks  did  to their parents  ..this much  for  that.I´m certain same  is true for Boston, L.A. Sidney Beirut etc., so Jpohn Turks know  that….
As to our coming to comrpomise  with the k u r d s .I wish to remind  you that  my Main  here  on this site  has been DEMAND   for  B L O O D       M O N E  Y   from great Turkey(perhaps you forgot) .Certainly i´m aware  of the fact  that  the  k u r d s    can only be negotiated  for    l  a  n  d ….in fact  that  is what they  themselves  know.However, the old  Armenian Claim for the total  of the 6  Vilayets,,,has  has to be settled  for  , 4 Vilayuets  or  thereabouts, as  they outnumber  us quite a bit.
But even prior  to  that  we  must resolve  the Diaspora  MAIN   I  S  S  U  E .
That  of Re organizing  it  to become a Super  Structure  with a   S  u   p r e m e  Council.Otherwise  our  BBB´s Bishops ,Bosses  adn Benefactors8according to ARA B.) will not be considered as  a LEGITIMATE  HEAD  OF  US. The Bioshops? theyu run along with the Benefactors8as  has been seen ,almost always ) and the Bosses, according  to ARA.Baliozian are  our Panchoonies…(Please  ,poltical parties  forgive  me for quoting  him) but then you see ,though I respect  our politco much  more  than ARA B. I also regard  them  as  forming  part  of the TRIO BBB, since  they do not command  neither NUMBERS8even all 3  or 4  put together) nor  do they have  the MEANS…WHAT I´m  driving  at  a  HUGE       ¨National  Investment   Trust  Fund¨.
BTW, I wrote  a long/detailed  artiocle ,emailed  to many newspapers(Armenian) incl. of  Hairenik Weekly,which I´m   not hopefull that will see the light  of day…it concerns to TWO  issues. One  is  A  NEW  CONCEPT  OF ELECTORAL SYSTEM &governance, THE OTHER….REPATRIATION,latter  as  a  must, to be  supported  by  Nat. Invdst  Trust  Fund, when it is created.Otherwise  we are beating around  the Bush!!!!
We  need   HUGE       F     U        N     D    to support  it ,by lending monies  not give, to those  who wish to Repatriate,Fund  in Switzerland controlled  by our &/7  magnaates,their monetary experts, attorneys etc., NOT  BY BBB´s-May God  bless  latter and they cary  on their work as   they have  for over 160 yeasrss come to them to us from Istanbulla(constantinople) wehre  the Clergy adn their supporting amiras  drew  up the Sahmanatrutyun.this  is  not compatible  with a  DYNAMIC DIASPORA THAT OSTENTATES  PEOPLE  SUCH AS YOU IN  TENS  OF THOUSANDS<..Those  like me and them should   LITERALLY   B  O  W     O  U  T, let  New Blood  New experts to take  over.   

Hamatsayn enk, Hamasdegh.

Dear Avery,
Please  tell me how to start a New Thread-a new Subject,if  you know  to whom to apply at the Hairenik weekly web  site,as sometiems  I have  new  items  such as the one below:-
RIGHT NOW WE WERE WATCHING  ARMENIAN  H1 Channel  of Yerevan.
The whole film/documentary plus commentaries -.The film  by a Belgian journalist  who went to Gandzag(Genjeh in Azeri  Lingo) which town was near totally Armenian fro centuries.They ,the azeris during last  war  occupied  it.My god, these Azerbaboons 8 as someone, a woman  here  once  called  them.Anyhow, the inscription  on the A,rmenian churches showign  dates  etc., intentionally scrathced completely as  to not  show  the Armenian writings   ,dates etc., Beautifull town  where once  (during soviet era with three midle Armenian achools  and few churches  operating.
Thes turco -azeris  must  really  have HATE, full of poison towards  us .Then the film showed  the displaced(driven out ) Armenians from Gandzag ,during  1993/4 war and some of them adults  crying  with nostalgi…for  theyloved  their town!!!
And they have  the nerve  to say NK Artsakh is  ours…
Hell like  you wrote above  to the  s.o.Bg  B…if war  breaks  out  we  shall really give  them hell.We are  not disarmed this time over and there  will be  people  like Soghamanlian(passed away just recently) a n arms  dealer who ,I saw  photo in Europe, in a news paper  there next to Aircraft  that  carried  weapons to NK  for  our freedom fighters…
We  should all vow  that we shall fight tooth and nails and give  them hell this time  over  if they dare approach  NK.As to our  politico, I think they are  on the wrong path with these baboons,they shoudl DEMAND  FULL BLAST  WE  WANT GANDZAG  BACK WE  WANT NAKHIJEVAN,SHAHUMIAN…FOR  IF  WE  keep silent  on these territories  towns  of  ojurs  the azerbabbon   take one step forwarsd and ask for Yerevan  Khankendi  in their g.D.lingo
I don´t  have hate  for  them but  they make  me wish they were not  on our lands and will ,if God willing go for  it..!!!!
Meanwhile, even  if they are reading  these  lines  or their agetns  let  them know  it  that a man of my age  is still craving  for my fathers  two grandparents  lands   homes  in Erzeroum/Karin and mother´´s  side  the azerbaboon occupied  Nakhijevan!!! 

Gaytzag, are you ok? Your post indicates otherwise.

 
Kerim says,
“It was not just 200K Karabak farmers, and not only the republic of armenia, but the whole of Russia behind it. You cannot have your cake and eat it too: armenians and Russian openly admit their alliance, and yet when it comes to the victory, you want all the credit.”
Kerim I know it feels bad when you end up losing a war; hence you come up with one hundred excuses not to lose your morale. 
Kerim show some ba..s and accept your defeat, the whole Islamic world was supporting and still supporting Azerbaijan. For example: Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Chechens, not to mention a flood of Mujahedeens fought alongside of Azeri forces, and you brag about Russia helping Armenia.
Here are some excerpts you might find interesting:
 
THE WASHINGTON POST
April 21, 1994,
 
You can’t put together any real army to fight the Armenians. There is a lack of determination in the people fighting, a disarray in the ranks,” said a Western diplomat in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan. “… This country is capable of gaining and holding ground only temporarily. If the Armenians don’t retake territory immediately, it is only for political reasons, not because they cannot.”
 
The recruits, some reportedly as young as 16, are part of an unconventional army that over time has included Afghan mercenaries and U.S., Iranian, Russian and Turkish trainers.
 
COMBAT AND SURVIVAL
Volume 11, Issue 5
August 1999
 
. During the war, the Azerbaijanis were initially supported by Russian 4th Army troops, Turkish trainers and latterly, by Afghani Mujahadin, who referred insultingly to the fighters of Karabakh as `fedayeen’: fighters lately come down from the mountains to fight for towns and villages. But this was a slur born from fear. One mujahadin mercenary admitted at the time, `You never realize where the enemy is firing from. Literally from four sides at once. No, it’s not like Afghanistan. It’s Karabakh.
 
http://www.huliq.com/1/1118-book-tells-about-mercenaries-azerbaijan-fighting-against-karabakh
 
 
 
In pre-1991 period Turkey saw itself as a stander-by at the outset of the clashes in Karabakh, as the developments had been perceived as being a domestic issue for still alive Soviet Union. However, since the anti-Armenian pogroms of Baku (1990) and establishment of Soviet troops in Azerbaijan, the factor of Turkic-solidarity became increasingly evident, and Turkey began to supply armaments, logistics and other military support to its newly-discovered ally. The Soviet leadership was quite critical about that, and the TASS agency reported on January 24 (1990) that Turkey should “refrain from sending military equipment” to the landlocked Azerbaijani exclave of Nakhichevan. Partly by ignoring this, even before the official formation of Azeri Armed Forces, until early 1992, Turkey held two secret air flights to deliver arms supplies to its ally, which was already in the state of war – first internally in a fight against Karabakhi people, and then attacking the sovereign territories of newly independent Armenia. As a matter of cautious policy, Turkey provided the Azeris mainly with Soviet-made arms and weapons systems that the possessed in large amounts – in an effort not to show-off and anger their NATO allies. Together with this, a physical support from Turkey also played a key role on side of Azerbaijan, as since 1992 nearly 150 high-ranking Turkish Army officers, including 10 army generals (mostly retired) took part in military operations. In another instance – the neo-fascist Turkish organization of “Grey Wolves” (Bozkurtlar – in Turkish) enjoyed a legal status in Azerbaijan and encountered nearly 15.000 members, all of them involved in the army, police and paramilitary units.
 
During the Karabakh War the territory of still unrecognized Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was also used to recruit foreign mercenaries and military instructors. With the initiative and support of a British peer, Lord Erskine of Rerrick, and Turkish businessman Mustafa Mutlu – British and Turkish mercenaries and arms were to be sent to Azerbaijan. The latter was reported to be ready to pay 150mln pounds annually, mainly in the form of oil. The British peer later confirmed that a British registered company Summit (Consortium) Ltd. arranged the deal.
 

Also, if you do a little research, you’ll soon find out the at the Ossetians held off the Georgians for almost 24 hours with as few as a thousand men and may have been able to hold out longer. Indeed, there was a crippling Russian counterattack but the Georgians forces would have been bled and continued to suffer unsustainable casualties from a protracted guerilla war. The Georgian offensive was pure amateur hour. After that whole fiasco in 2008, it made the Azeris rethink their bluster.

I´m fine Kerim. Back from Khan kendi  RA(Armenian/Artsakh) well convinced  that  our brethren and sisters  there, are well prepared to  confront  any attack come from Azerbaijan.Latter , lately is to face  yet  another problem  that  of the TALISH  people, that live  within its  so called  borders and partially  in Iran.
Next, I believe the Lenkporani  Iranian issue  will pop  up.Yet another headache for  the Azeris.
Big  brother  has  the  k u r d s    and ermenis  on their back,while azeris   above  NEWLY  come  up  issues.
Expect  more  and more  headaches  for the Turco-Azeris… 

These initiatives and Armenian participation in officially sponsored and Turkish inspired gatherings raise a lot of concerns and worries in me. I do not bear a personal grudge against ANY Turkish citizen for understandable reasons by I am wary of official Turkey, and its institutions that pursue “national interests” as defined by their own preceptions of the world and their objectives.As of today, and for the foresseable future, I do not see any rhyme or reason why I should in any way agree ,acquiesce or participate in any Turkish inspired programs, activities for nurturing “dialogue” or understanding because we are not running along the same track. Those among us who on the basis of their contacts with intellectuals, historians, writers and well-meaning persons believe they can influence the thinking of the state purely and simply ignore the logic and working of the state. So do not jump to conlusions my friends, and hence do not think for a moment that you represent any one except yourself in such venues and gatherings. I have made my peace with the Turkish citizen because he,like me, is a victim of circumstances he cannot control; he like me wants peace for his children and like me yearns for the daily bread. I wish I can walk along with him and he can walk along with me on the same path of peace. I do not know how we can achieve that but I know for sure that it is not with the Turkish state..that imprisons people like Zarakolu!        

Dear Daron, your tactic is a pretty commonplace one in terms of obfuscation. Yes, dump a ton of cherry-picked citations, and hope something sticks. But do take a step back. What you are essentially saying is that the entire world was fighting on the side of Azerbaijan, against 200K very-poorly armed Armenian farmers with no military training, with Russia not interfering at all, and yet, miraculously you triumphed! You know, when something sounds too outlandish to be true, it usually is. Take you saying that Russia was actually helping Azerbaijan. Really? Aren’t they your closest ally? This does not make any sense.

Now, the morale on the Azeri side was indeed low at the time. Why? Because we were heavily disadvantaged vis-a-vis Russia, plus the aggressor usually has the upper hand. Because they by definition are usually better prepared, especially when the other side is a bunch of villagers (in Lachin, Gubadli, and 5 other adjacent district, plus the Khojali genocide, where 30K civilians were killed) caught in the cross-hair of Armenian-Russian troops armed to the teeth.

Don’t deny the fact. We both accept that you won the first round of a FROZEN war. Isn’t that enough? Why do you have to exaggerate things by saying your victory was one against the whole world, of extraordinary nature, etc, etc. Or is there a sense of inferiority complex you are trying to overcompensate by trying to think of your folks as these superhuman beings and not historical losers (I am sure the Armenian physche is still scarred with the events of 1915, e.g,, “why wasn’t my people able to better protect itself?”)? The truth is you won the first round because you were better prepared, armed, and with a strong patron like Russia. For the second round, the former is no longer true (we are the better prepared one now). As for Russia, that is still holding true, which is the only reason why we are not starting the war. But you can be sure that Azerbaijan diplomacy is working extremely hard to change that.

 
 
Dear Kerim,

I have no intention of exaggerating the Artsakh victory, I am simply citing the facts from non Armenian news sources.  In terms of having “sense of inferiority complex”, no dear friend, we do not have inferiority complex, after all Armenians came out the winners in the war. It is more likely that you and your people are suffering from serious psychological turmoil.  With all the Turkish, Saudi, Paki, Iranian and Islamic support you still lost the war.  I’m sure deep down its very hard for you to face the countries that supported your war, you let them down by losing the war badly. 
You should be thankful to your cousins Turks and to rest of the Islamic community (League of Arab Nations and World Islamic Congress) who are still supporting Azerbaijan out of their Islamic compassion.
As for the rest of your comment, you are regurgitating, nothing new.

Dear Random Armenian,

First of all, my apologies. I did not mean to diminish the gravity of the Armenian Genocide, which I believe did happen. Nor did I intend to thereby belittle your family’s tragedies. By referring to “1915 incidents,” I was  simply trying to refer to the independence struggle of Armenians against Turkey. This struggle, you must admit, you lost.

Now, you say I call for death of destruction. Don’t take things out of context. Consider this analogy. My neibgor comes and takes over my house at a gone point, kills a few family members of mine, and expels me. I then spend 20 years trying through courts and negotiations to get my house back. Nothing works. So when I try to use the same means that the neighbor had used to take back what everyone (the legal system, my neighbors, the township) acknowledges as mine, then I am the one who calls for death and destruction? See, row much of a red-herring your point is? So when Armenia says today that it is for peace, it is an utter hypocrisy. Of course, the thief would want peace once he has gotten what he wanted. Also, notice that I am not talking here about the Karabak proper (let’s grant that it is a contested land). I am talking about the adjacent districts that even Armenia official recognizes as not part of Karbabak. These districts they treat as negotiation-chips (“give us independence, and we will return these districts, minus a couple or so.”). Such tactics of negotiation would be ok if all this was a board game or something. Your negotiating chips are the homes that over 1 million refugees had spent life-time building and who now leave in refugee camps. Of course, you would wish for these people to go away so that you can live in peace and harmony in their homes. Not so fast though. And please don’t resort to some one-sided interpretations of history by calling even these adjacent lands your historical lands going back 2000 years ago. That may or may not be true, but such archaic claims are no reason to kill and plunder people’s homes. And surely, if this was, say, something like a legal case, wouldn’t you want to prove it (in a court or something) first? Imagine you neighbor did that to your house saying that he believes his great-granddaddy used own the lot on which you have built your home?

To the Kerim like ..
Firstly I know from close contact with Turk oigine persons(note I do not specify from great Turkey , Baki,or Iranian Aterpatakan,but with Turk genes) even  if their backs are flattened  on ground,they do not admit  it ,get  up and declare,that  was  not a fair  fight,we did  not loose.this is their Khasiat(means voj-manner of being,Raison Détre).Now then,so far  up above the discussion debate  has been about  NK Artsakh war and what it is all about.
My perception as to Turco-Azeris  is totally different from my dear compatriots above!!!
Unless  we Armenians bang  hard,i.e., by writing and advocating ,broadcasting on Radio T.V. and all media, that our Real DEMAND  IS WESTERN ARMENIA, from where  we were EVICTED  by such  a   RUTHLESS  FASHION  THAT  THE WORLD SO FAR  HAS  NOT SEEN!!!  and what  our CAUSE/CASE  MUST BE PROPERLY SHOWN TO THE WORLD  PUBLIC ALSO, is  just  that. Otherwise, One other  KHASIAT,voj  manner  of being  of  the Turco-Azeris  is to INTENTIONALLY FOCUS  OR RATHER ESPECIALLY DO SO FOR THE WORLD PUBLIC  THAT  WHAT  THESE  e  r  m  e  n  i  s     want  is a small piece  of land called  nagorniy  karabagh..FORGETTING  THE 1918  WAR BETWEEN  KEMALIST  TROOPS AND ARMENIANS  ON THE PRESENT FRONTIER  OF SARDARAPAT, APARAN …
THIS WAY THEY ARE DIVERTING  BOTH  OUR(ABOVE) attn: as well as  any odar,non Armenian (such as  if you stop a Fin or a S.African or one in alaska, what  is it the Armenians want? the answer will be  Nagorni  Karabagh,which is being disputed between Armenians  and Azeris,THUS KEEPING  THE FOCUS WORLDWIDE (DESVIADO) SPANISH  , means change  the route..to…from the    M  A  I  N      A  C  T  U  A  L      B  I  G     issue  that  we  have  with big brother great Turkey…  G  e  n  o  c  i   d   e      recognition and Restitutions,firstly     B  L  O  O  D        M  O  N  E  Y  , which has precedent  in internationla  instances and that  is what great Turkey is afraid  of.
We, the elder Ermenis  know quite well that  great Turkey-rectnly economically  a bit  better positioned  with  non-retiurnable  aid  from uncle Sam  for  over  50 yrs and much more  is  very unwilling  to part  with  the riches  thus acquired!!!!
But  even  if they stash  their finances  elsewhere, from   Madrid to Miami to Geneva to S.America   the U.s. we can always  CLAIM FROM THEM  CASH  THAT THEY ARE  RECEIVING FOR  TRANSIT  DUTY(yes!!! definitley  we  must  take  this point  into consideration) FOR PASSAGE  OF CONTINUOUS  OIL  flow through…..whose real  TERRITORY..and erroneously  by Passing  Armenian(the shortest  route).Yes ,definitely  the Oil companies  ought to be asked     W  H  Y   ??????
thence, once  culprit  is condemned   officially and found   G U I L T HY     OF  GENOCIDE TO THEIR  SUBJECTS…  THEY HAVE TO BE MADE  TO PAY  MORE  THAN  HALF  OF  THOSE  TRANSIT DUTIES  TO ARMENIA AND ARMENIAN DIASPORA….
kARABAKH  IS A FAIT  A COMPLIT ….
aRMENIANS LIVING  ON ANCESTRAL LAND. 
 

To my dear friends engaged in this useless discussion and polemic with persons of Turkish or Azerbaijani origins on an issue they don’t want to see or understand. The French have a saying: ” Il n’y a plus sourd que celui qui ne veut point entendre” ( it is useless to discuss with an intellectually …  deaf person).What do we gain  from this endless exchange of notes and comments? Are we trying to convince them we are righ and that they are wrong, that they should educate themselves, that they should possibly consider the fact that there is a problem and that problem will not go away as long as they are people with similar frame of mind bent on negating historical facts because they either do not know or just persist in their ignorance? If I were you, I would invite Kerim, John the Turk for coffee, chit chat a bit and then wish them well and bye. If they want to meet again, well and good.If we do not succeed convincing them at least we gain a personal friend. Who knows? And who says that friendship does not change things.

Gayztag

Have you look in the mirror? have you missed another slap from turks? Are you daydreaming or crayzy to dare to ask for our ancestral homeland?

john the turk,

What a pompous *** you are! Do you really think you are the master of the universe?     

another slap?  And what was the first slap?

You are also really ignorant in history and geography. Let me break the news. Your ancestral homeland is in the Altai Mountains. And no, nobody is crazy to ask for it.       

What the **** is this other slap this turk is talking about? Is he threatening us with another genocide? We don’t want his ancestral homeland. We want ours. Two different places.

Clarification for my comment above:  The “fantasy” mentioned above is the fantasy of Armenians living as equal, free and respected citizens within a land governed by Turkey. This is not to be misunderstood as suggesting that the genocide was a fantasy. 

Some readers have expressed the view in their comments that Armenians are stuck with the memories of 1915 and that they should get over it and move on… They keep telling us that Turkey has changed and that they have met people there who are different than the ones we care to visualize.
As far as I am concerned the people who think so are free to move on , as others have done so in our past . Either they don’t understand what happened or are unwilling to understand the cost that the Armenian nation paid for the murderous and villainous actions of those who were acting on behalf of the Ottoman Empire. Recently, it was published that the case of Natalie Wood ,an American  actress, was re-opened 30 years after her death because there justice thought were new elements to consider in her accidental death. Just imagine the death of one person makes the headlines and her family and sister continue to seek justice. So go and tell Natalie Woods’ sister to move on… One death is too many so imagine the one and half million who perished and who have not gotten their day in court.So asking Armenians to move on and forget that one and half million Armenians suffered a horrendous death at the hands of Ottoman Turks in 1915 without getting justice, is tantamount to committing that murder again.Ignorance of facts is not permissible , and denial of facts does not make you a better person .Such people do not have the right to write off the loss because for some reason or the other they think they are above the fray or that the past does not affect them the way it has affected us.For those who sympathize with Turkey because they were born there, that is their problem.