‘Nor Seround’ Claims Responsibility: ‘There Can Be No Peace Without Justice’
PARIS (A.W.)—On March 2, a French-Armenian activist threw a cup of pomegranate juice—representing blood—at Hakki Akil, Turkey’s ambassador to France, as he delivered a talk on “Secularism in Turkey and France” at the Faculty of Law at Paris Descartes University. He was immediately detained by security, according to France 24.
As he hurled the cup of juice, the protester yelled out, “Fascist Turkey! Justice for the Armenian people!”
“Nor Seround,” the Armenian Youth Federation of France, claimed responsibility for the incident and said it aimed to denounce the Turkish state and its current representatives for their responsibility in the Armenian Genocide. In a statement, Nor Seround wrote, “There can be no peace without justice.”
Following the attack, Akil told Turkey’s Cihan news agency that the protester was a French citizen of Armenian descent, adding that the French police had identified him.
“They have orchestrated attacks before. In Marseille and Paris, they attacked [Turkey’s] tourism offices,” Akil said.
On April 18, 2014, a group of Nor Seround activists held a protest at the annex of the Turkish Embassy in Paris, demanding justice and reparations for the genocide suffered by the Armenian people. Activists threw buckets of red paint in the building lobby and held placards that read, “Justice for the Armenian people,” “Turkey out of Kessab,” and “We demand reparations.”
Below is a video of the March 2 incident:
At this stage something like this is useless and counterproductive.
What the young man did is assault and battery.
Any young man who has that much passion should go to NKR, enlist in the military, get the proper training, and kill enemy soldiers in action.
Artsakh lost several of her young sons this year already to Turkbaijani bullets.
We have an Armenian state now: let them handle Turkish diplomats.
Instead of throwing juice at a diplomat, throw grenades at enemy soldiers: you will help the Armenian Nation a lot more that way.
Or, if you are not cut out for the military, do what the Canadian-Armenians did: convince a lot of your young friends in France to come to the chambers and protest in silence.
Much more impactful that way.
Perhaps you should follow your own advice and go to the front line, gyavuroghlu, instead of living in my country, the U.S., and serving as Serzh’s cyber warrior. And “artsakh” did not lose any of her young men – these are the young men of Armenia sacrificing themselves (once again) for Karabakh.
You are confused, nomad.
I don’t throw stuff at people and I don’t advocate _initiating_ violence, քոչվորoğlu.
And US cannot possibly be ‘your’ country: your country is Turkbaijan.
Well, actually Baku Khanate: not even a country, just a gas station, that’s rapidly running out of oil.
Go home, nomad: your Eternal Sultan Ilham is waiting for you with open arms. He needs more cannon fodder: he is running out of ‘volunteers’ to send to the LOC, where they are warmly greeted by native Armenian men with AK-47s.
Your Przewalskii pony* is saddled and waiting for you just outside the Glendale Central Library, where you allegedly visit often to study maps.
And you still know nothing about Artsakh, or Armenia, or our Armenian mountain warriors, Türkoğlu.
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* [Also called Equus Przewalskii, Asiatic Wild horse, Mongolian Wild Horse & Taki, the Przewalski’s Horse is the only known surviving species of wild equine on the planet]
Ok so what does this get us?
These actions are born out of pain, frustration and a century of insults and injustice from Turkey, and the protesters feel the need to lash out publicly. But what does this get us in the end?
Turning backs on denialist speakers with the support of odars from the wider community makes a better impression. It communicates to everyone else that denialism is unacceptable and there is no room for it in society and should not be tolerated.
But throwing paint? Sorry but that’s cheap and childish and only satisfies the pain and frustration that we feel without furthering the cause.
Sometimes throwing representative blood is as effective as a grenade. My opinion is that the young man was courageous in his action. Everyone should always do the best they can to keep the issue alive. Turkey fears the attention.
I don’t see how physical action like this helps. It’s violence, even though it’s the mildest type.
Simply commemorating the genocide, having foreign media cover it and use the word genocide and putting up memorials, gets Turkey riled up. I think that’s the most respectable and effective way. Those and the continued research.
Let it be the Turks behaving badly when they deny the genocide. We’ll see how Turks will protest, if at all, at the April 24 commemorations around the world.
1 agree with Every,this does not help our cause and a waste of a bottle of noor which i could have used this morning.i myself have made such gestures as a young man,stay vigilant,yet don’t lose the real intent of a protest.
Is such a low-level ‘terrorist action’ justified ? What does it bring to your cause ? Do you think it makes it more popular ? Compared to what other revolutionary groups have done for their cause (e.g. attacking Israeli or American ambassadors, which is much more dangerous that this poor Turk who doesn’t even have a bodyguard), this is kindergarten play. Ridiculous ! Your activist needs to see a shrink more than anything else.
The one who needs to see a shrink is you: what ‘terrorist action’ are you talking about ?
Do you even understand what the word ‘terrorist’ means ?
And there was a time when Armenian commando groups carried out assassinations against Turk diplomats: for their participation as State agents in the conspiracy to obstruct Justice for the Armenian Genocide: a capital crime.
Quite a few were punished for their crimes.
But that time has passed.
Republic of Armenia has a diplomatic corps, a UN representative, official representatives in European bodies, etc: they are working diligently to counter AG denial by Turkey at all levels.
And Armenian Diaspora is very active and very successful in combating AG denialism by Turks and their hired prostitutes.
Just a couple of days ago, in my neck of the woods, California, Armenian-American diaspora crushed an attempt by Turks to erect a statue of the Genocidal mass-murderer Turkish Hitler Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Turkish, not Turk*). City of Carson voted 4-0 to reject the offer by Turkey to place the criminal’s statue in one of its parks.
Turkish Consul General of Los Angeles Raife Gulru Gezer was publicly humiliated on ABC7 TV for the diplomatic rout at the hands of Armenian-American diaspora.
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* the beloved so-called ‘father’ of Turks is not even an ethnic Turk.
“Turkish Hitler Mustafa Kemal Ataturk”
Care to produce any evidence to Ataturk’s link with the Armenian genocide?
Avery@ Didn’t Mustafa Kemal Ataturk say “Those leftovers from the former Young Turk Party, who should have been accountable for the lives of millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the republican rule.”
The link is from: http://www.anccanada.org/en/resource_center/details/2
Yes, the ANCA Canada Page.
Any opinions about this, Avery-yan?
“And there was a time when Armenian commando groups carried out assassinations against Turk diplomats: for their participation as State agents in the conspiracy to obstruct Justice for the Armenian Genocide: a capital crime.”
Where in the law does it say that that’s a capital crime?
I find no justifications for what these “commandos” did. No matter how despicable their targets were in denying the genocide.
[Defender Of Kebabs]: I had read that statement before. It was first pointed out to me by our fair Turk guest RVDV many months ago on the comment pages of ArmenianWeekly. (RVDV and I have exchanged many posts: I have learned a couple things from him I did not know before.)
My opinion about what Mustafa Kemal said and many other related itema is in my reply to RVDV.
As Commander-in-Chief of the of the Turkish armies, Mustafa Kemal sent a telegram to the Minister of Foreign Affairs Yusuf Kemal, in which he covered the culpability of his units for the massacre of the Armenians and the fire in Smyrna. In the telegram Kemal suggested that it was the Armenians and the Greeks who, with their pre-arranged plans, have decided to destroy the city (read: decided to burn themselves alive). –Source for the telegram: Bilal Şimşir, The Correspondence with Atatürk (Atatürk ile Yazışmalar), Kültür Bakanlığı, 1981.
(RVDV // March 8, 2015 at 12:43 am //)
{ “Care to produce any evidence to Ataturk’s link with the Armenian genocide?”}
No document has ever been found bearing Adolf Hitler’s signature ordering the Jewish Holocaust.
Agree ?
Yet is there any doubt in your mind that Hitler in fact ordered his Nazi henchmen to organize and carry out a Genocide of Jews, Slavs and other ‘Untermenschen’ ?
Yes or No ?
As to Mustafa Kemal Atatruk:
[However, in some respects Ataturk’s regime was no break from the past. Killings continued after the war, partially because of Ataturk’s need to find allies amongst CUP supporters. And the genocide continued. Under Ataturk, Ankara ordered General Kiazim Karabekir to ‘physically annihilate Armenians.’ Karabkeir, as Walker recalls, was a ‘fanatical anti-Armenian extremist’, although Ataturk was more moderate. Fortunately, intervention by the 11th Red Army stationed nearby saved Russian Armenians from what Dadrian terms ‘miniature genocide’. ] (book “Identity Politics in the Age of Genocide” by David B. MacDonald. Page 119)
[Historians have propounded the thesis that a clear continuity can be
observed between the first Young Turk regime of 1913-18 (the Committee of Union and Progress) and the second of 1919-50 (the Republican People’s Party). The Republican archives offer material to assess how the cadre of the second regime dealt with the crimes of the first, including the genocide. It becomes clear that the Kemalists offered full impunity to the perpetrators, rehabilitated their reputations, and widely reimbursed their families, often specifically with Armenian “abandoned property” (emval-ı metruke).] (from THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE: NEW SOURCES AND RESEARCH DIRECTIONS By UĞUR UMĐT UNGOR)
In 1937/1938 upon orders of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Turkish military carried out a massacre of Dersim Alevi Kurds.
Civilians were gassed in caves and subjected to poison attack.
Kemal was photographed visiting the site, being helped down some dirt hill.
Do you dispute that Kemal himself ordered the massacre of Alevi Kurd civilians ?
Yes or No ?
Kurds estimate up to 90,000 were killed.
Turks’ estimates are much lower: around 10,000; naturally (…when was the last time Turks admitted to any of their crimes ?).
There is more.
[The tomb of Sinan, the most acclaimed architect of the Ottoman Empire, was opened in 1935 by a team formed by the Turkish Historical Society, which was founded by Atatürk four years earlier. Their aim was to measure Sinan’s centuries-old skull in order to prove that he was of “pure Turkish stock” — something the multi-ethnic Ottomans would never have minded.]
[The First Turkish Historical Congress held in Ankara in 1932 was the first big step. In the 10-day-long official gathering, many “scientists” presented many “findings” about the origins of the Turkish people. Dr. Reşit Galip, a passionate supporter of Atatürk, defined this “superior race” as “the tall, white, thin-nosed, proper-lipped, often blue-eyed Alpin race,” known for virtues such as “civility, heroism, and artistic and social talent.”
Another speaker, Dr. Şevket Aziz Kansu, presented a blue-eyed and well-built peasant couple and their “offspring” to the congress, defining them as ideal samples of Turkish stock. He was passionately applauded when he returned to Atatürk, who presided over the hall, and greeted him as the hailed leader of this “highly evolved” race.
Atatürk also felt proud that year when a young Turkish lady, Keriman Halis, became Miss World. “I knew,” he said, “that the Turkish race is the most beautiful one.”
Soon, he ordered his adopted daughter, Afet İnan, to undertake more research on this important topic. After studying history in Switzerland, the young and idealist İnan embarked on a mission to carry out “anthropometric studies” in Turkey. With full official support, she began a countrywide campaign of “cephalometry” (measuring the skulls of living people), “craniometry” (measuring the skulls of dead people), and “phrenology” (inferring characteristics from skull features). A staggering 64,000 people are known to have been “measured” during this campaign — and many graves were opened, including that of Sinan.
The lunacy calmed down with Atatürk’s death in 1938. In the aftermath of World War II the project was abandoned, as Turkey silently walked away from officially sponsored racism.] (all the above from “Turkish racism: an unpleasant story HDN 7/13/2010 Mustafa AKYOL”)
Epilogue.
So I believe a preponderance of evidence has been presented that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is a Turkish Adolf Hitler.
Yes, it is not evidence ‘beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt’.
But as noted above, no document has been found of Hitler directly ordering the genocides either.
I therefore assert that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk stands guilty of continuing the Genocide of Armenians that began on April 24, 1915.
If you have preponderance of evidence to refute my assertion, please do.
I look forward to it*.
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* I recall your post from a while back about Kemal excoriating CUP for the Genocide of Armenians.
I contend Kemal did that to politically weaken CUP, and render them harmless before they could challenge him.
Kemal hated Armenians as much as CUP, and wanted them exterminated and wanted Armenians wiped out from Caucasus.
Overall, a very weak argument. A good argument if I were a genocide-dentying worshipper of our state demi-God Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, but alas, I am not. I don’t refute any of information included in your excerpts. I find the information there to be unfortunate and a bit shameful, but facts have a tendency to not care how you feel about them.
Ataturk was a racist nationalist that pushed the agenda of a “white Turk” race. The unnamed “black Turks” were the religious commoners of Anatolia, distinct from the elite in Istanbul and Ankara. BUT- this is not the topic at hand. There wasn’t a question of whether he was an all around good guy or not. He wasn’t.
“Do you dispute that Kemal himself ordered the massacre of Alevi Kurd civilians ?
Yes or No ?”
Do you remember my “not everything is a genocide” rant on a previous post? (the one you agreed with). Same thing applies here. WHY did he order the massacre, that’s the question, and it’s a very important one. Because if it wasn’t due to him hating ALL Alevis and wanting to kill these people for no other reason than that they were a member of an out-group, it cannot be a genocide. And it isn’t a genocide. The same argument goes for Armenians during the Turkish war of independence. Did he give the order because he carrying out the master plan of Enver, Cemal, and Talaat? Or was he trying to win a war, and regain territory that the Ottoman Empire lost by quite literally any means necessary. If it’s the latter, then again, no dolus specialis. And no genocide. I’m not sure if I mentioned this, but my two cents on the issue is that the Armenian genocide ended in 1918. Doesn’t mean killings, massacres, ethnocide, ethnic cleansing, destruction of the Armenian presence on their homeland ceased. But I’m on the side of using the term “genocide” very, very selectively. But at the very least, Ataturk, whatever your opinion on him, was no Talat Pasha. He was fighting for his country at Gallipoli while the dicatorial trio were murdering their own citizens. And since I recall you agreeing with me that Dersim was also not a genocide, how exactly does Ataturk compare to Hitler? Both had some Aryan, master race fantasy? Talaat, Enver, and Cemal were the Turkish Hitlers.
Finally:
“No document has ever been found bearing Adolf Hitler’s signature ordering the Jewish Holocaust.
Agree ?
We agree that this doesn’t warrant a response?
Yet is there any doubt in your mind that Hitler in fact ordered his Nazi henchmen to organize and carry out a Genocide of Jews, Slavs and other ‘Untermenschen’ ?
Yes or No ?
This is an apt analogy if your talking about the 3 Pashas. But again, those three are not the topic at hand.
“If you have preponderance of evidence to refute my assertion, please do.”
And to reiterate, I do not contest any of the evidence you provided. You proved he was a racist, and a mass murderer. Certainly a strong indictment against the guy but there have been plenty of racist mass murderers in world history (every European power in the age of colonialism is guilty of this). But I think we can agree that there is something especially evil about people like Adolf Hitler and Mehemt Talaat Pasha. But it seems like an excessively harsh indictment against the man to put him on par with Hitler. I find Ataturk and the Kemalist ideology that persisted for decades to have been an equal opportunity oppressor: Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Jews, Alevis, Kurds, religious Muslim Turks, communists, and anyone else who dared stray from the official state line of racially pure nation-state.
[Kemal hated Armenians as much as CUP]
I sometimes wonder if Kemal’s hatred for CUP was a subdesign, so to say, to insure his multidimensional continuity in homogenization of the Turkish nation, and the destruction of the remaining Armenians. Otherwise, how could Mustafa Kemal, a member of the freemasonic Rissorta Lodge no. 80 of Salonika, a Dönmeh, and a non-Turk by birth, actually hate his freemasonic, Dönmeh, and non-Turkic CUP brethren, such as Emanuel Caraso, Rafik Bey, Mehmet Cavit, among many others?
[RVDV] we agree on much, and disagree on some.
A good exchange, as always. A pleasure.
[John] I did not mean to imply that Kemal hated CUP.
Not at all: I meant Kemal hated _Armenians_ as much as CUP hated Armenians. My mistake for not constructing the sentence unambiguously.